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Esaias · #**101** 04-09-2020, 04:15 PM

Jesus is not only God, but He is presently a human being:

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

IS - present tense. Not was past tense, but IS. Paul did not believe whatever it is that Nic and TJJJ believe. Two different religions. One apostolic, one heresy.

Jesus is a priest FOREVER:

Hebrews 5:6 KJV
As he saith also in another place , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The SON abides FOREVER:

John 8:35-36 KJV
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus AS THE SON OF MAN and SON OF GOD is in heaven:

Acts 7:55-56 KJV
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 KJV
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; [10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 4:14 KJV
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Christianity is founded on the belief that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God:

John 20:31 KJV
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36-37 KJV
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 KJV
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22-26 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also . [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. [26] These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 3:23 KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 5:20 KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 John 1:3 KJV
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Nicodemus1968 · #**102** 04-09-2020, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus is not only God, but He is presently a human being:

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

IS - present tense. Not was past tense, but IS. Paul did not believe whatever it is that Nic and TJJJ believe. Two different religions. One apostolic, one heresy.

Jesus is a priest FOREVER:

Hebrews 5:6 KJV
As he saith also in another place , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The SON abides FOREVER:

John 8:35-36 KJV
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus AS THE SON OF MAN and SON OF GOD is in heaven:

Acts 7:55-56 KJV
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 KJV
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; [10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 4:14 KJV
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Christianity is founded on the belief that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God:

John 20:31 KJV
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36-37 KJV
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 KJV
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22-26 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also . [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. [26] These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 3:23 KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 5:20 KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 John 1:3 KJV
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Old timers saying,
When people are in the flesh, they see flesh...

Saints are born of the spirit, and Easias is saying Jesus is born of and remains in the flesh.

Esaias · #**103** 04-09-2020, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Old timers saying,
When people are in the flesh, they see flesh...

Saints are born of the spirit, and Easias is saying Jesus is born of and remains in the flesh.

When people are in the flesh, they cannot submit to God's Word.

consapente89 · #**104** 04-09-2020, 08:16 PM

Hebrews 7:24-25 (KJV) 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The man still lives to make intercession and has an unchangeable priesthood.

Esaias · #**105** 04-10-2020, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89

Hebrews 7:24-25 (KJV) 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The man still lives to make intercession and has an unchangeable priesthood.

I mean, how much plainer can it get?

diakonos · #**106** 04-10-2020, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89

Hebrews 7:24-25 (KJV) 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The man still lives to make intercession and has an unchangeable priesthood.

Boom!

TJJJ · #**107** 04-10-2020, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89

Hebrews 7:24-25 (KJV) 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The man still lives to make intercession and has an unchangeable priesthood.

Seriously? This is your verse? Did you even study it first before you commented on it?

Let's take this verse and look at it together my Brother.

Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Now, when we go the the Hard copy of the Book, we see that the word "man"
is in italics. What does that mean Brother? Doesn't that mean that the word is an interpolation of Scripture? That it was interjected and if you take that word out of the sentence that the Scripture is still true?

So lets look at other versions.

(ALT) on the other hand the One because of His remaining into the age [fig., forever] has the priesthood permanently.

(ASV) but he, because he abideth for ever, hath his priesthood unchangeable.

(BBE) But this priest, because his life goes on for ever, is unchanging.

(CEV) But Jesus will never die, and so he will be a priest forever!

(Darby) but he, because of his continuing for ever, has the priesthood unchangeable.

(GNB) But Jesus lives on forever, and his work as priest does not pass on to someone else.

And the list could go on.

The word man in this verse is a non issue as it was not in the original. The context is the priesthood, not the physical.

Whoops, boom boom!

TJJJ · #**108** 04-10-2020, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by diakonos

Boom!

Look up one!

TJJJ · #**109** 04-10-2020, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

I mean, how much plainer can it get?

TJJJ · #**110** 04-10-2020, 08:51 PM

The problem here is that you are not studying context.

The context of this chapter is about the eternal priesthood of the son. Not of the man but of the son or even of the sonship.

So this son is going to be a priest forever it says. The sonship is going to make intercession forever. Not like the old testament priests but in the new covenant.

What is the sonship? It is about flesh and divine Spirit coming together to bring about salvation for the lost.

Jesus the Christ, (The flesh bearing the name of the Spirit that indwelled in it) was the first but not the last of this sonship. When that body (singular) was taken up into the clouds it went …… where? To …… Kolob?

In the Spiritual dimension we know that Jesus is the Father. The Spirit is Jesus and vice verse.

When it speaks of the sonship it refers to the humanity. This is elementary stuff that I learned as a 16 year old UPCI preachers kid.

So, the flesh is not deity but the container for the deity. Fast forward to the day of Pentecost. Jesus, God, has already said he would come back, (John 14, Acts 1) and bingo, here he comes. He fills humanity again and ….. we see the sonship again!!!

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Wow!!!

To use the words of others....

I mean, how much plainer can it get?