Why did we lock down to begin with?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We may be seeing biblical prophecy in action before our very eyes.

[james34]

Originally Posted by jfrog

No doubt there are some deaths being included that shouldn't. Just like there is also no doubt that there are some deaths not being included that should be.

But perhaps more importantly to note - many times cause of death isn't actually as straightforward as we would like to believe. The old guy with bad kidneys that get's covid and dies of kidney failure due to the additional stress on his system caused by the virus - is he a covid death or a kidney failure death? Personally I would think he should count as both. Maybe the bigger issue is how our death records system is set up?

Ok ,accept discrepancies...i get it, but has this not been a scenario that would have happened during a flu pandemic? Of course, the difference is the Media hype, and if it wasnt for the media most folks would'nt think any more of this pandemic than of the flu....actually they wouldnt even know there was a pandemic!

[james34]

Good Morning Britain presenter Piers Morgan, 55, has criticised the government following news that epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson has resigned from his role as an adviser on coronavirus during the pandemic. Professor Ferguson’s resignation comes after The Telegraph reported that he broke lockdown restrictions when a woman he was said to be in a relationship with visited his home during lockdown
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-...ews-latest/amp

This is the guy who Faucci worships , the cause just continues its loss of credibility as if it ever had any

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by james34

Good Morning Britain presenter Piers Morgan, 55, has criticised the government following news that epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson has resigned from his role as an adviser on coronavirus during the pandemic. Professor Ferguson’s resignation comes after The Telegraph reported that he broke lockdown restrictions when a woman he was said to be in a relationship with visited his home during lockdown
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-...ews-latest/amp

This is the guy who Faucci worships , the cause just continues its loss of credibility as if it ever had any

She's married, by the way.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

No doubt there are some deaths being included that shouldn't. Just like there is also no doubt that there are some deaths not being included that should be.

But perhaps more importantly to note - many times cause of death isn't actually as straightforward as we would like to believe. The old guy with bad kidneys that get's covid and dies of kidney failure due to the additional stress on his system caused by the virus - is he a covid death or a kidney failure death? Personally I would think he should count as both. Maybe the bigger issue is how our death records system is set up?

How many weeks does it take to get a full autopsy, pathology, and toxicology report from a coroner before a final cause of death can be determined and announced?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

How many weeks does it take to get a full autopsy, pathology, and toxicology report from a coroner before a final cause of death can be determined and announced?

No idea. But most deceased don't have an autopsy performed - so not really sure it matters?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

No idea. But most deceased don't have an autopsy performed - so not really sure it matters?

Preliminary results can be found usually within 24 to 48 hours. Full results can take up to 6 weeks.

Why it matters? We're talking about accurate death counts and rates of nCOVID19. These numbers are "going up" every day without full autopsy analysis.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...topsy-101.html

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Preliminary results can be found usually within 24 to 48 hours. Full results can take up to 6 weeks.

Why it matters? We're talking about accurate death counts and rates of nCOVID19. These numbers are "going up" every day without full autopsy analysis.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...topsy-101.html

But they don't do full autopsies on most covid deaths. They don't do full autopsies on most deaths in the country. It's a very small fraction that have an autopsy performed. So I still have no idea why a 6 week delay on less than 1% of the deaths would have a meaningful impact on the numbers.

I mean most people from death to burial isn't even a full week apart...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Numbers of sick and numbers of dead are the only 2 sets of data that exist to measure the pandemic.

The number of sick is increasing.

I've been watching Wisconsin's numbers more closely.

Starting on 4/22 and finally leveling off again on 4/24 Wisconsin's cases went from around 100-200 a day to around 300-400 today and has maintained that same spread since.

IMO it's looking more and more like something systemically changed in their testing (likely more tests).

Deaths have still seen no increase or spike despite the increase in cases occurring over 2 weeks ago.

We will be much more certain in another week but preliminary results seem to be showing that your confirmed cases are going up for a reason other than more people getting sick with covid-19.

I predict that Wisconsin is going to make a great case study for why rising confirmed case numbers by themselves aren't indicative of more people getting sick.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

But they don't do full autopsies on most covid deaths. They don't do full autopsies on most deaths in the country. It's a very small fraction that have an autopsy performed. So I still have no idea why a 6 week delay on less than 1% of the deaths would have a meaningful impact on the numbers.

I mean most people from death to burial isn't even a full week apart...

Quantity of autopsies or timeframe from death to burial isn't relevant here. Cause of death signed to certificates of death being nCOVID19 without autopsy means the actual cause of death remains uninvestigated, and therefore, guessed at.

You bring this out when you mention comorbidity. Was it kidney failure or nCOVID19? When comorbidity isn't studied and analyzed through autopsy, and only one cause of death, that being nCOVID19 is given, the statistics are automatically and immediately skewed and therefore unreliable.