Chris Reed

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For those with facebook, the entire service is here:

https://www.facebook.com/sidneybreat...66431763599304

[Michael The Disciple]

I was actually there at the Facebook meeting. Like I said I thought it was impressive. I have experienced the prophetic gifts in my own life and seen it among my friends and other Ministers.

It is like you said. A manifestation to awaken us to the presence and sensitivity toward God. It was obviously in Jesus ministry.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I was actually there at the Facebook meeting. Like I said I thought it was impressive. I have experienced the prophetic gifts in my own life and seen it among my friends and other Ministers.

It is like you said. A manifestation to awaken us to the presence and sensitivity toward God. It was obviously in Jesus ministry.

Amen. Thanks for checking it out!

The woman named Michelle that he called out, she attends my cousin's church in Winnipeg, and felt to watch our meeting that morning. And then he felt to speak to her and she was incredibly blessed. And he ministered to her about her two daughters and named her son. And that was a powerful mother's day for her.

[Whoop Harted]

Ah, but did he tell them their SS number? That is the real test of a prophet!!

[Esaias]

I have a question. In the Bible, prophets either bluntly gave the word of the Lord, or, if they asked questions, they already knew the answers. On the other hand, psychics, mediums, and frauds (fake psychics, fake palm readers, etc), always ask questions, often leading questions. Kind of like an attorney doing a cross examination. The psychics and fraudsters and attorneys (and psychologists) use the answer to one question to lead into the next one. The client, mark, witness, or patient is always amazed at "how much insight the questioner has". Because it is the answers to the leading questions that give the practitioner the necessary clues for the next question. Basically social engineering.

So my question is, why does this guy seem to be using the latter methodology, rather than the former? Asking questions, I mean? "Is there a Fred on the line? I recall seeing a Fred? Okay, Fred, where are you at? What city? New York? Ok, okay... Uh... Ok.... Does the name "Joe" mean anything to you? Know anybody named Joe? Oh, you have a cousin named Joe? Okay, all right... What about... December? Ring any bells? I haven't any prior contact with Joe, folks... Oh, Joe was at a Christmas party and got indigestion? Okay, so... Okay... You know, Joe.... Has Joe been feeling down? Depressed? Worried? Oh, you say he's been upset about his finances? Okay, so... I'm thinking there's a weight issue? Maybe obesity.... Or some kind of health issue having to... What? He's diabetic? Okay, so I'm seeing some blood pressure problems... Yes? That's correct? " etc.

I'm genuinely asking why modern day prophets seem to operate so much like palm readers or George Popoff? Is it just me? Or does anyone else wonder these things as well?

[diakonos]

I haven’t had a chance to view the video

[Whoop Harted]

I am underwhelmed.

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Originally Posted by diakonos

I haven’t had a chance to view the video

[james34]

Well this is a public forum......never is a prophet or dreamer to be followed just because the things they speak of (not names and addresses) comes to pass. You follow the word of God, if the professed prophet adheres to the word then maybe he can also be extended the right hand of fellowship(RIGHT HAND of FELLOWSHIP....What this entails is a lesson on it's own and well worth digging into and we should not non chalantely be extending this depth of trust and fellowship to everyone.).....these things are established with time ,and fruit bearing , knowing them that labor among you...consequently a prerequisite to fellowship that cannot be attained via an internet connection.
If a prophet or dreamer of dreams dream a dream or has a vision and it comes to pass and yet they lead away from the Word of God , these people are by definition the most dangerous that one could meet.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I have a question. In the Bible, prophets either bluntly gave the word of the Lord, or, if they asked questions, they already knew the answers. On the other hand, psychics, mediums, and frauds (fake psychics, fake palm readers, etc), always ask questions, often leading questions. Kind of like an attorney doing a cross examination. The psychics and fraudsters and attorneys (and psychologists) use the answer to one question to lead into the next one. The client, mark, witness, or patient is always amazed at "how much insight the questioner has". Because it is the answers to the leading questions that give the practitioner the necessary clues for the next question. Basically social engineering.

So my question is, why does this guy seem to be using the latter methodology, rather than the former? Asking questions, I mean? "Is there a Fred on the line? I recall seeing a Fred? Okay, Fred, where are you at? What city? New York? Ok, okay... Uh... Ok.... Does the name "Joe" mean anything to you? Know anybody named Joe? Oh, you have a cousin named Joe? Okay, all right... What about... December? Ring any bells? I haven't any prior contact with Joe, folks... Oh, Joe was at a Christmas party and got indigestion? Okay, so... Okay... You know, Joe.... Has Joe been feeling down? Depressed? Worried? Oh, you say he's been upset about his finances? Okay, so... I'm thinking there's a weight issue? Maybe obesity.... Or some kind of health issue having to... What? He's diabetic? Okay, so I'm seeing some blood pressure problems... Yes? That's correct? " etc.

I'm genuinely asking why modern day prophets seem to operate so much like palm readers or George Popoff? Is it just me? Or does anyone else wonder these things as well?

Deuteronomy 13:1-4.. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, ..(2).. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; ..(3).. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ..(4).. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

We are not told that if a certain manner is similar between psychics/false prophets and true prophets, then the prophet is false. We are told of the direction of worship and praise and dedication that is urged through the use of the miracle to learn the truth of the prophet. If the outcome is to lead you to false gods, then similarity is not the issue. The direction to which the "gift" leads is the issue.

Moses threw down the rod and it became a serpent. The magicians did the same. Was that manner of doing the ct of the miracle wrong with Moses because the magicians used the same manner? No. But Moses' swallowed up the others.

And the magicians did many of the SAME THINGS Moses did in the same manner. Manner was not the issue.

Exodus 7:20-22.. And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. ..(21).. And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. ..(22).. And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8:6-7.. And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. ..(7).. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

But they could not do beyond that, as with dust turning to lice.

When we see a prophet do similar things that a psychic does, we ought to question more how the psychic does them so similarly, rather than the other way around, for the psychic is the counterfeit and will be known by leading people to other gods. The devil counterfeits what God started, meaning all that psychics do are counters that follow what God initiated with true prophets. When the similarity leads people to God it is genuine, as per the words of the Bible.