Chris Reed

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Even prophets can fail God.

There is "the man of God", and then there is "an old prophet". It doesn't say he was a prophet OF GOD, just "an old prophet".

After lying to and deceiving the man of God, he becomes a balaam's ass and pronounces doom on the man of God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There is "the man of God", and then there is "an old prophet". It doesn't say he was a prophet OF GOD, just "an old prophet".

After lying to and deceiving the man of God, he becomes a balaam's ass and pronounces doom on the man of God.

In that scenario the "man of God" prophet failed God by disobedience. But my original question was dealing with the New Testament prophet and sound doctrine. Can one be a prophet to the Church and not be in the foundation doctrine of Christ?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

In that scenario the "man of God" prophet failed God by disobedience. But my original question was dealing with the New Testament prophet and sound doctrine. Can one be a prophet to the Church and not be in the foundation doctrine of Christ?

Simon Peter was a prophet and according to Paul in Galatians, he erred in his behavior.

Paul and Barnabas were both prophets and they disunified over John Mark.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Simon Peter was a prophet and according to Paul in Galatians, he erred in his behavior.

Paul and Barnabas were both prophets and they disunified over John Mark.

Some people take the whole,"straight and narrow" thing to mean that if you arent walking in "their" lane, you done fell off the road entirely...

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Some people take the whole,"straight and narrow" thing to mean that if you arent walking in "their" lane, you done fell off the road entirely...

Boy, ain't that the truth!?!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

In that scenario the "man of God" prophet failed God by disobedience. But my original question was dealing with the New Testament prophet and sound doctrine. Can one be a prophet to the Church and not be in the foundation doctrine of Christ?

The man of God failed because he was snookered by the "old prophet" into thinking God wanted him to stop and have dinner with the guy. I think we see two situations here: one guy looks to be a conniving liar, the other was sincere but got fooled by the conniver.

As to your question:

1 John 4:6 KJV
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Amanah]

Have any of you heard of forensic prophecy?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Have any of you heard of forensic prophecy?

No

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Have any of you heard of forensic prophecy?

Someone used that term once while having Reed on a live stream, describing Reed's detailed insight. And I think the guy does not know what forensic means. I think he thought it meant detailed analysis of someone's life, when it actually means scientific methods to detect crime. lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The Greek for "desire" in 1 Corinthians 14:1 is ζηλοῦτε or zeloute, from the Greek word zelos, that is to say, our word "zealous". In 1 Corinthians 14:12, we see the word zealous, from ζηλωταί, or zelotai, from zelos as well, but note a difference:

In 1 Corinthians 14:1, zeloute is a verb. In 1 Corinthians 14:12, zelotai is a noun.

Also in 1 Corinthians 14:1, prior to spiritual, or pneumatika (an adjective not a noun), we have the definite article τὰ or ta indicating the English word "the".

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/14-1.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_c...ians/14-12.htm

So, Paul wants the Corinthians to be zealous of or for the spiritual ______.

What should go in the blank? The word "gifts"? I don't think so.

So, you are saying the blank is not to be filled in with “gifts”?

No Bible translation agrees with you. I think you are not only not Oneness, but you are not Apostolic either.



New International Version
Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.

New Living Translation
Let love be your highest goal! But you should also desire the special abilities the Spirit gives—especially the ability to prophesy.

English Standard Version
Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

Berean Study Bible
Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.

Berean Literal Bible
Earnestly pursue love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you might prophesy.

New American Standard Bible
Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

New King James Version
Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

King James Bible
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Christian Standard Bible
Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you may prophesy.

Contemporary English Version
Love should be your guide. Be eager to have the gifts that come from the Holy Spirit, especially the gift of prophecy.

Good News Translation
It is love, then, that you should strive for. Set your hearts on spiritual gifts, especially the gift of proclaiming God's message.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts, and above all that you may prophesy.

International Standard Version
Keep on pursuing love, and keep on desiring spiritual gifts, especially the ability to prophesy.

NET Bible
Pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

New Heart English Bible
Follow after love, and earnestly desire spiritual things, and especially that you may prophesy.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Run after love and be zealous for the gifts of The Spirit, but especially that you may prophesy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially the gift of speaking what God has revealed.

New American Standard 1977
Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

King James 2000 Bible
Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy.

American King James Version
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy.

American Standard Version
Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts , but rather that ye may prophesy.

Douay-Rheims Bible
FOLLOW after charity, be zealous for spiritual gifts; but rather that you may prophesy.

Darby Bible Translation
Follow after love, and be emulous of spiritual [manifestations], but rather that ye may prophesy.

English Revised Version
Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Webster's Bible Translation
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Weymouth New Testament
Be eager in your pursuit of this Love, and be earnestly ambitious for spiritual gifts, but let it be chiefly so in order that you may prophesy.

World English Bible
Follow after love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

Young's Literal Translation
Pursue the love, and seek earnestly the spiritual things, and rather that ye may prophecy,