Psychology: Science or Religion?

[sherr34]

I know about the psychiatrist because I have to see one. I just didnt feel right about saying it.

[ManOfWord]

[QUOTE=Chan;14557]

A typically stupid remark! You and I both know that "based solely on God's word" does not mean "cite chapter and verse."





Actually, no more stupid than most of your remarks on this subject. You seem to always set yourself up as a final judge and jury regarding these issues.

In my opinion, it is your pride concerning these issues that is an affront to the wisdom of God. But that's just my opinion and could be way off base.

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

You know, it's not just us wide-eyed 'scriptualist' that believe in the fallacy of psychology. There are some secular sources as well. Even if you don't believe at least consider the possibility that this is just bad science.



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As indicated in the original post, there is some question as to whether it can be considered science at all. It may be a religion.

Originally Posted by sherr34

Chan,
I have a question for you. What if someone in you family was diagnosed with Bipolar would you look down them because the have to have medication to help make them stable. Bipolar is a Medical condition and a physical condition just like Diabetes, high blood pressure. Would you cut them down because they have to go to a Specialist to get the correct medication and help that they need to live a normal life. I would hope that you would try to understand where they are comming from.
I do know that people with this medical condition need to be talked to a certain way because if they are not,the person with BP will probably get very upset and do things they will regret later.
The reason why I know about BP is because I have it. And what do I do with it. I am apostolic, Holy Ghost filled and baptized in Jesus Name. I pray that God would heal me but if not I use it as a tool to reach others to the Lord.

There is no reason to "look down on" anyone - ever!

Bipolar disorder is not a medical condition. Nor is depression or anxiety or "intermittent explosive disorder" or "oppositional defiant disorder" or many of the other so-called "mental illnesses" psychology has created.

The Situation
80% of all Americans have received some form of psychological services at some point in their lives.
Each year in the U.S., 15% of adults and 21% of children see mental health professionals.
At least 25 million Americans take Prozac for their depression.
10 million children in America take at least one psychiatric drug.
40% of Americans (75 million adults) belong to at least one of more than 3 million support groups.

Did You Know...

1. Mental disorders are NOT medical/physical conditions like cancer or diabetes? Every mental disorder is merely a list of observable behaviors given a label and voted into existence by the APA Board.
2. No one can objectively prove you have a mental disorder? Even the APA President admits that no lab test exists to prove the existence of depression, ADHD, bipolar, and every other mental disorder--no brain scan, no blood test, nothing.
3. There is no reason to take a pill for a mental disorder, like you would for true medical/physical conditions? The chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain theory has never been proven to cause mental disorders, despite popular belief and drug company marketing. See the News page.
4. Psychiatric drugs CAUSE chemical imbalances in the brain by disrupting normal brain chemicals? Long-term use can cause permanent brain and organ damage.
5. The FDA now admits antidepressants and ADHD drugs can CAUSE violent and suicidal behavior in children and adults? It is well-documented that most school shooters and baby killers over the last two decades were on psychiatric drugs. See the News page.
6. Mental health screening, labeling and drugging of children is in almost every state in America? School screening programs like TeenScreen label normal children with mental disorders, leading to dangerous psychiatric drugging.
7. Over time, more people improve without psychotherapy than with it?
8. Every major psychological theory is anti-Christian at its core?

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Actually, no more stupid than most of your remarks on this subject. You seem to always set yourself up as a final judge and jury regarding these issues.

Yes, well, Jesus did say to judge righteous judgement.

In my opinion, it is your pride concerning these issues that is an affront to the wisdom of God. But that's just my opinion and could be way off base.

Well, you're certainly capable of inaccurate perceptions but I don't have to accept your perceptions as fact. You accuse me of pride "concerning these issues" but don't bother to state why. Is it pride to warn of the evils of that wicked worldly philosophy called "psychology"? Is it pride to insist that there is no place for worldly philosophies (including psychology) in the Church? Is it pride to reject this wicked world's acceptance of psychology as absolute truth? Or are you accusing me of pride because I won't allow for letting even just a little bit of your wicked worldly philosophies in the Church?

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Brother Chan did you miss my post to you?

I suspect I did. I looked at the website. I'm at least somewhat familiar with Sister Doty's book Gay Conversations and with Nello Pozzobon's ex-gay ministry.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Chan

I suspect I did. I looked at the website. I'm at least somewhat familiar with Sister Doty's book Gay Conversations and with Nello Pozzobon's ex-gay ministry.

Brother I don't know much about Nello but I have met and fellowshipped with Siter Doty at conferences.She is up front and teaches truth.Also there are other ministers including Rock Church that are involved in Soteric counseling I believe its called.

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Brother I don't know much about Nello but I have met and fellowshipped with Siter Doty at conferences.She is up front and teaches truth.Also there are other ministers including Rock Church that are involved in Soteric counseling I believe its called.

Whether "soteric" or "nouthetic," it still tries to bring bits of psychology into the Church.

[sherr34]

I will quietly leave this tread. I think people need to read the book Why am I still depressed. Bipolar is a MEDICAL CONDITION. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain and it has to be treated with medication.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, well, Jesus did say to judge righteous judgement.

Well, you're certainly capable of inaccurate perceptions but I don't have to accept your perceptions as fact. You accuse me of pride "concerning these issues" but don't bother to state why. Is it pride to warn of the evils of that wicked worldly philosophy called "psychology"? Is it pride to insist that there is no place for worldly philosophies (including psychology) in the Church? Is it pride to reject this wicked world's acceptance of psychology as absolute truth? Or are you accusing me of pride because I won't allow for letting even just a little bit of your wicked worldly philosophies in the Church?

It's very simple. It is pride when you paint with such a broad brush as the term "paychology" is and use the pointed words that you do when placing the broad "sticker" on all those you level them against.

The broader perspective is that anything that contrary to the Word of God or the principles therein is wrong and false.

The truth is that there are many writings that are not quoted from scripture that are not contrary to scripture, and many which are quite in harmony with scripture whether they be in the realm of marriage, finances or relationships or something else. You seem to be saying, in effect, if it's not "king james" it's not biblical.

Once again, the following scripture applies.

Lu. 9:50 "But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side."