Interesting Trinitarian Statement - trithestic?

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by H2H

The Trinitarian doctrine was formulated primarily by well-meaning church leaders who wished to purge the church of heresies much more damnable than Trinitarianism it'self.

I agree with this....I think.... unless the "damnable" is linked to the "Trinitarianism"

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

The sad thing is, none of you know the trinitarian doctrine on any real level. You know what others have told you. This is the biggest problem by and large. Fear and ostracization keep you from finding the truth on the matter.

I love the attempts at humor. Would you be so kind if other threw them in your direction.... Oneness would mean Jesus was talking to Himself in the garden

oneness would mean Jesus would have to say not my will be done by mine

How about God the ventriliquist? God in heaven with using his "big voice" "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" God now in His little voice "thank you Father, I have fulfilled all righteousness"

Crude? Yes, it is, but it demonstrates the coursness of which most unknowing oneness folks use in their attempts to demean a doctrine they know nothing about

I've heard them all. I've spent quite a bit of time on CARM for the past year. I also know about their doctrine from their own mouths. So please don't think I'm ignorant of their doctrines of the Trinity, of salvation, of the hypostatic union, of perichoesis, etc. I've thought about their doctrines and don't find them scriptural. And though I most certainly don't have all the answers regarding the incarnation, I know God is not triune.

And to be even more direct, less then 6 months ago I seriously considered whether the doctrine of the Trinity might possibly be true. God even gave me a dream months before this time of testing that I was being led into false doctrine. I didn't understand at the time what was meant but when it came to pass, I understood. The Spirit within me also witnessed to my spirit that something was terribly wrong. For over four days as I was contemplating whether the doctrine of the Trinity could be the truth, I had a sick sinking feeling within the pit of my being. I prayed and fasted for God to lead me and preserve my way in his truth. And He did.

The sinking feeling went away. Peace of mind came back to me when I realized there is absolutely no way God is a Trinity. It's a seducing doctrine of devils.

[H2H]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

I agree with this....I think.... unless the "damnable" is linked to the "Trinitarianism"

Are you Trinitarian yourself?


The Trinitarian and Oneness doctrines are much closer than some of the Christology the early church Fathers were fighting.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by H2H

Are you Trinitarian yourself?


The Trinitarian and Oneness doctrines are much closer than some of the Christology the early church Fathers were fighting.

SG is a special breed .. a hybrid that I love!!!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

being the one that made the funny.... sure. if a trinitarian wants to crack wise, then have at it. that doesnt change anything. God is still One. Jesus was still both God and Man.

More particularaly being that this is a Oneness board, then i will say things here among my brothers that i would not say in conversation with a trinitarian. Certainly not one with whom I am having a serious discussion with in an attempt to win them to the Lord.

speaking of things I would say here, (this is where I go all Epley on you)

I believe that the doctrine of the trinity is the devils single greatest weapon. It is delusion on the grandest scale and has caused more people to go to hell than any other thing that has ever come to us.

The trinity is not the Devils greatest tool, IMO. He is the chiefest of all liars. He is a Liar. If you are saying that the "trinity" is the biggest thing the devil has used to confuse some people that is true. If he can get someone confused he can draw them away. But to say the Trinity is sending someone to hell that is a stretch. I believe one God only and Jesus is His name. The devil will never stop at trying to get someone to see a Trinity. He may use that to take them away from God altogether. But God on the other hand can use the thought of a Trinity to lead people to HIM and HIM alone.

Think about it.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I've heard them all. I've spent quite a bit of time on CARM for the past year. I also know about their doctrine from their own mouths. So please don't think I'm ignorant of their doctrines of the Trinity, of salvation, of the hypostatic union, of perichoesis, etc. I've thought about their doctrines and don't find them scriptural. And though I most certainly don't have all the answers regarding the incarnation, I know God is not triune.

And to be even more direct, less then 6 months ago I seriously considered whether the doctrine of the Trinity might possibly be true. God even gave me a dream months before this time of testing that I was being led into false doctrine. I didn't understand at the time what was meant but when it came to pass, I understood. The Spirit within me also witnessed to my spirit that something was terribly wrong. For over four days as I was contemplating whether the doctrine of the Trinity could be the truth, I had a sick sinking feeling within the pit of my being. I prayed and fasted for God to lead me and preserve my way in his truth. And He did.

The sinking feeling went away. Peace of mind came back to me when I realized there is absolutely no way God is a Trinity. It's a seducing doctrine of devils.

Well - I'd love to talk to you about it some more sometime. I think you missed a few things. The trinitarians at CARM are about as knowledgable as the oneness folks there.. so not sure that was a great place for you to "check into it" - Your wrong on your conclusions at least partly - if your ever interested... I'd be available.. not looking for converts your understand.. just truth

Originally Posted by H2H

Are you Trinitarian yourself?

The Trinitarian and Oneness doctrines are much closer than some of the Christology the early church Fathers were fighting.

I'd rather not apply a label to it... Particularly in this setting. Honestly we are all oneness, and all trinitarians... with the exception of the extremists on both sides, neither of which would have escaped: correction, rebuke and sound instruction... in the first church

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

SG is a special breed .. a hybrid that I love!!!!

thanks Bro

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Well - I'd love to talk to you about it some more sometime. I think you missed a few things. The trinitarians at CARM are about as knowledgable as the oneness folks there.. so not sure that was a great place for you to "check into it" - Your wrong on your conclusions at least partly - if your ever interested... I'd be available.. not looking for converts your understand.. just truth

I will have to disagree with you again. TKN, a presbyterian, knows his doctrine. JWBII just finished his second year at Dallas Theological Seminary, and TheLayman, who's been banned from CARM but is posting on GNC, knows the doctrine inside and out.

I'm interested in knowing what things you think I've missed?

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I will have to disagree with you again. TKN, a presbyterian, knows his doctrine. JWBII just finished his second year at Dallas Theological Seminary, and TheLayman, who's been banned from CARM but is posting on GNC, knows the doctrine inside and out.

I'm interested in knowing what things you think I've missed?

Sure! But that would require you listing a few of your objections........ lets start with one or two objections and see how I fair on the sensibility scale, as well as biblical integrity.

I'll keep checking back to see if your game

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Sure! But that would require you listing a few of your objections........ lets start with one or two objections and see how I fair on the sensibility scale, as well as biblical integrity.

I'll keep checking back to see if your game

For starters:

1) the teaching of the eternal Son
2) the equivocation of the word, God
3) the absence of a Trinity in the OT See the first post on this thread by MOW and also click onto the link below:
http://www.goodnewscafe.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=10490

4) The attempts at twisting the meanings of the words, Elohim and Echad.
5) The lack of any clear cut teaching of the Trinity in the NT
6) Jesus never acknowledged the concept of a Trinity when he had ample opportunity. ie: John 4:22-24 and Matt 12:28-29
7) The creed recongnizing a Trinity took hundreds of years to formulate
8) The doctrine of the Trinity was developed over time.

You pick what you want to discuss first.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

For starters:

1) the teaching of the eternal Son
2) the equivocation of the word, God
3) the absence of a Trinity in the OT See the first post on this thread by MOW and also click onto the link below:
http://www.goodnewscafe.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=10490

4) The attempts at twisting the meanings of the words, Elohim and Echad.
5) The lack of any clear cut teaching of the Trinity in the NT
6) Jesus never acknowledged the concept of a Trinity when he had ample opportunity. ie: John 4:22-24 and Matt 12:28-29
7) The creed recongnizing a Trinity took hundreds of years to formulate
8) The doctrine of the Trinity was developed over time.

You pick what you want to discuss first.

Great - thank you - give me just a bit of time and I'll post you something