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Old 11-28-2021, 11:11 PM
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:30 AM
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Coffee is a serpent?
This was given by revelation decades back, through sister Regina Adams, and actually served them very well. They were very interested in healthy concepts and compared the various food approaches. Earlier they had been influenced by the wonderful book Confessions of a Medical Heretic by Robert Mendelsohn, published in 1979, when they were partly in NJ and partly in Coloarado.

One gentleman was using coffee to stay up for his truck-driving job and it became a big issue.

Twelve Tribes uses Yerba Mate, an herbal drink, and if you are at their Yellow Delis. And I think they market some.

Quite recently everything changed on this at Homestead. They say they accepted the latest (shill) science that shows coffee and chocolate with health benefits. Now it can be drank at home, and they have a coffee shop, and it is served in their Cafe.

Personally, I mix some coffee with Teccino and similar herbal beverages, maybe once a day, so I surely understand a more lenient approach.

However, their view of it as a drug actually served them very well for decades. And I believe bringing in coffee with a shop and daily usage does promote a type of dullardness and stimulant dependence, detracting from community life.

YMMV (your mileage may vary.)

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Old 04-12-2022, 04:49 AM
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Exodus Conference 2022 - livestream.
https://exodusconference.com/texas/
April 10-16. Day 1 livestream April 11

Day 3 today
https://youtu.be/MjTjNhRaJiI. - earlier on YouTube is day one and two.

The talks vary. Some of the talk topics you might find interesting. Some try to be scholarly with references to Josephus, Tertullian, Constantine, Gregory of Nyssa and others. Feel free to share below your thoughts. The blood of Jesus will get an occasional reference, en passant, without depth. They have had an historic weakness there, and do not accept that the actual blood of Jesus landed on the mercy seat under the crucifixion site.

The music is generally good, although some of it is tinged with that charismania music spirit with the emphasis on what I do.

Wednesday 10:30 AM CST you can hear their current water baptism teaching. There is a real question as to whether their baptisms are efficacious for remission of sins, since now it is a solemn vow or pledge to the ministry and their body. And remission of sins is hardly mentioned. Also Yahshua gibberish has crept in to the water baptism. Somebody who leaves Homestead, baptized there in the last decade or two, should really examine whether they need the Apostolic water baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins.

We have not heard them talk publicly of the two-fold water and spirit baptism, the born-again experience, for quite awhile. We will see I’d it comes in here.

They have a book of about 150 pages that new water baptism people have been told to sign and initial 100+ times. Quite a story there, now that it is public they may claim it is retired. However it was given out even in 2021. Note: the byline of Blair Adams is often placed on material written by others. Also they have a super-wacky Catch-22 explanation of what you should do if you believe they are in apostasy! .

Friday 9 AM they will try eschatology. Maybe they will bring up preterism, dismissively. They have had unusual millennium beliefs in the past.

Friday 1:30 a Q&A

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They try to avoid any real discussion of their key core belief - “Yahweh-worship” - but the creepy devil-word (Yahweh == Jupiter) shows up a lot in the talks, especially from Asahel Adams (Note: I spoke to him personally at their Cafe about this problem in 2017.) If you visit, I suggest staying clear of prayer rooms, which travail ... “ohhhhhhh yahhhwwweehh.” Many are unwittingly calling on a dark-side entity. And at their Fair, I even heard them mangle a prayer song, Days of Elijah, away from the true "No God but Jehovah" substituting the creepy non-Hebrew word, and the Holy Spirit RAN me OUT of the tent.

Jehovah will never be spoken by the ministry and established members, at least not in any positive way. For some years, the youngsters were singing a blasphemy ditty "no God named Jehovah."

“Yahshua”, their gibberish faux word for the Lord Jesus Christ is mostly kept out of public discussion, maybe there was one mangled reference. Yet they have used that gibberish word in water baptism, and their book places it as the real name. Since it really has zero “scholarship” support, their discussions will be very brief. It is a mangling created by know-nothing USA Sacred Namers in the 1930s, to match the faux Yahweh (Jupiter), it is not a Hebrew name.

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They jump around a dozen or so New Testament corruption versions. They do not accept the heavenly witnesses as scripture, but they will use it, at least once in their writings, when convenient. They also avoid the wonderful baptism testimony verse, Acts 8:37, because they have been duped by liberal textcrits.

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Still, there is a bit of interesting study and you can get a feel for where they are today.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The vision from the pure fellowship of the 70s involving community, homesteading, crafts, etc. has been largely successful, despite their fundamental doctrinal and faith foibles.

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This is a very different fellowship than what was brought forth by the wonderful ministry of Blair Adams (1944-2021). He began with the King James Bible in his hand, thunderous as the word of God, and the truth of Jehovah. Sophistry from “intellectual” elders peeled Truth away.

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Homestead Heritage carefully watches what is said critically. They do not really engage the issues, instead they are skilled in diversion non-answers (also attacking the messengers.). They have a habit of rewriting history. To be fair, there was a time years back where they at least made a pretense of studying the Name and Bible issues, I had an ongoing email correspondence with their chief doctrinal elder, at their request. Ultimately they circled the horses, and pulled back, very sad.

Hebrews 10:38-39 (AV)
Now the just shall live by faith:
but if any man draw back,
my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition;
but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

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Lord Jesus, we ask for wisdom, grace and discernment.
In Jesus name.

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Steven (Avery) Spencer
Dutchess County, NY USA
https://www.facebook.com/steven.avery.7568/
Talkatone text: 520 hello 442- grace - 3322 (chopped up for bot control)

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Your feedback, thoughts, tweaks, experiences most welcome!

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Old 04-12-2022, 10:48 AM
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This was given by revelation decades back, through sister Regina Adams, and actually served them very well. They were very interested in healthy concepts and compared the various food approaches. Earlier they had been influenced by the wonderful book Confessions of a Medical Heretic by Robert Mendelsohn, published in 1979, when they were partly in NJ and partly in Coloarado.

One gentleman was using coffee to stay up for his truck-driving job and it became a big issue.

Twelve Tribes uses Yerba Mate, an herbal drink, and if you are at their Yellow Delis. And I think they market some.

Quite recently everything changed on this at Homestead. They say they accepted the latest (shill) science that shows coffee and chocolate with health benefits. Now it can be drank at home, and they have a coffee shop, and it is served in their Cafe.

Personally, I mix some coffee with Teccino and similar herbal beverages, maybe once a day, so I surely understand a more lenient approach.

However, their view of it as a drug actually served them very well for decades. And I believe bringing in coffee with a shop and daily usage does promote a type of dullardness and stimulant dependence, detracting from community life.

YMMV (your mileage may vary.)

I listened to a talk by a drug expert that talked about how western civilization changed when coffee, tea and chocolate entered mainstream use.


The caffeine increased productivity and allowed for greater useage of shift work basically in his words"it allowed man to break free of the suns rule".


Not making the case for or against, just commenting on the topic of caffeine.
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The caffeine increased productivity and allowed for greater useage of shift work basically in his words"it allowed man to break free of the suns rule".
Even though I drink coffee and energy drinks, they tend to have the opposite effect on me. I always find myself yawning after drinking them. I remember an instance many years ago, where I came home and drank an entire pot of coffee, and shortly thereafter went straight to sleep. Caffeine just doesn't affect me like it does most people.
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Even though I drink coffee and energy drinks, they tend to have the opposite effect on me. I always find myself yawning after drinking them. I remember an instance many years ago, where I came home and drank an entire pot of coffee, and shortly thereafter went straight to sleep. Caffeine just doesn't affect me like it does most people.
Actually its the effects of your body metabolizing the caffeine. You have the alertness effects of the caffeine, but after your body completely metabolizes it you get tired. Same thing with sugar, only the metabolization happens way quicker.
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Exodus Conference
Day 4
https://youtu.be/IkLKtr74eQs

Central Standard Time
9:00 Question Authority—Except When Statist and Compulsory
10:30 Water Baptism—A Saving Covenant with Christ Through His Body

The second one will have their current water baptism beliefs - for public consumption.

Will they mention “Yahshua”? What they consider the real name.

Other questions, as well.

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Exodus Conference
Day 4
https://youtu.be/IkLKtr74eQs

Central Standard Time
9:00 Question Authority—Except When Statist and Compulsory
10:30 Water Baptism—A Saving Covenant with Christ Through His Body

The second one will have their current water baptism beliefs - for public consumption.

Will they mention “Yahshua”? What they consider the real name.

Other questions, as well.
Hillbilly Hebrews?

Yee Haw for Yahweh?

Ruach Rednecks?
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Hillbilly Hebrews?

Yee Haw for Yahweh?

Ruach Rednecks?
Hebrews and Ruach are fine.

Yahweh is the pagan devil Jupiter.
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