Initial evidence

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

This is interesting. It certainly reinforces the concept of manifest destiny.

Yes. Instead of a Theocratic focus. Many have leaned towards dictatorship political view.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Some of these gents also believed in British Israelism

http://www.pctii.org/cyberj/cyberj22/richmann.html

Parham and Don are on the same page?

Perfect earthly life, according to Parham, belongs to those who had not accepted the Gospel, but who during the Judgment Age (the era following the millennium) are deemed worthy by their works.[53] In this group, Parham placed infants, heathens, and members of “formalistic churches,” which he primarily identified with members of Catholic (non-Anglo-Saxon) nations. Callahan astutely argues that what these three groups have in common is an “inferior capacity for accepting the truth, which meant that they were not as accountable as others.”[54] With regard to heathens and members of formalistic churches, what they also have in common is a racial distinction in being, according to Parham, not descended from the tribes of Israel.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Parham and Don are on the same page?

Perfect earthly life, according to Parham, belongs to those who had not accepted the Gospel, but who during the Judgment Age (the era following the millennium) are deemed worthy by their works.[53] In this group, Parham placed infants, heathens, and members of “formalistic churches,” which he primarily identified with members of Catholic (non-Anglo-Saxon) nations. Callahan astutely argues that what these three groups have in common is an “inferior capacity for accepting the truth, which meant that they were not as accountable as others.”[54] With regard to heathens and members of formalistic churches, what they also have in common is a racial distinction in being, according to Parham, not descended from the tribes of Israel.

The more you look into this you can see it all around us.

[loran adkins]

Why do we need initial evidence that someone has received the Holy Ghost?
There is nowhere in scripture that says there is initial evidence that everyone will have when they receive the Holy Ghost. Neither is there one verse that says everyone will speak in tongues when they receive the holy ghost. When we say everyone must speak in tongues we limit who can be saved by our own definition. We condemn to hell people that are better that many of us because they have not jumped through the hoops that we think you have to jump though because of our traditions.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Why do we need initial evidence that someone has received the Holy Ghost?
There is nowhere in scripture that says there is initial evidence that everyone will have when they receive the Holy Ghost. Neither is there one verse that says everyone will speak in tongues when they receive the holy ghost. When we say everyone must speak in tongues we limit who can be saved by our own definition. We condemn to hell people that are better that many of us because they have not jumped through the hoops that we think you have to jump though because of our traditions.

What does scripture say we need to do to be saved?

[Amanah]

It seems that the light doctrine is embedded in pentecostal roots.
How many in the UPCI believe the light doctrine and what is the official stance on it?
Bishop JW is looking less odd by the minute in comparison to the whole picture.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Why do we need initial evidence that someone has received the Holy Ghost?
There is nowhere in scripture that says there is initial evidence that everyone will have when they receive the Holy Ghost. Neither is there one verse that says everyone will speak in tongues when they receive the holy ghost. When we say everyone must speak in tongues we limit who can be saved by our own definition. We condemn to hell people that are better that many of us because they have not jumped through the hoops that we think you have to jump though because of our traditions.

What we need to do is read the thread.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Why do we need initial evidence that someone has received the Holy Ghost?
There is nowhere in scripture that says there is initial evidence that everyone will have when they receive the Holy Ghost. Neither is there one verse that says everyone will speak in tongues when they receive the holy ghost. When we say everyone must speak in tongues we limit who can be saved by our own definition. We condemn to hell people that are better that many of us because they have not jumped through the hoops that we think you have to jump though because of our traditions.

Brother Loran, the above thinking can also be applied to all points of soteriology. When we read John 3:8 in English we miss the meaning of what Jesus is telling Nicodemus in Greek. "The Spirit breathes where it wishes, and you hear its voice, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” With stammering lips and another tongue would He speak to his people. Pentecostals (those who became famous by tongue talking) sadly fail when it comes to explaining tongues, scripturally. Not all of them mind you, but there are those who took the cessationist understanding of John 3:8 and taught it to their congregants.

Hey, even Nicodemus was amazed at what Jesus was saying in Greek.
"Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?"
Which Jesus could only reply to Nicodemus a Hellenized Judean leader, with; "Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

Brother Loren, Jesus made sure to let His followers know that the way is narrow, and the gate is tight, which leads to eternal life. Few will ever find it. I believe Matthew 7:13-14 limits who can be saved by Jesus' definition. No one is condemning anyone to hell. We break the bread of life with them who are sincere searchers. Individuals who like Cornelius, the Ethiopian, and the Apostle Paul were all devoted to God. God leads them like a Good Shepard.

Brother Loren, no one is making anyone jump through hoops. I'll leave you with this, I know people who have never been to a Pentecostal church. But through seeking God they spoke with tongues, and then found us.

That's the kind of supernatural I love to see and hear.

Some joker climbing behind a pulpit and telling people their names, addresses, and where they left their car keys, is meaningless. Praying with a sincere repentant lover of Christ to see them filled with the Holy Ghost is a real miracle and wonder.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What we need to do is read the thread.

Brother Loren, there is some awesome information in this thread. Please read through.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

It seems that the light doctrine is embedded in pentecostal roots.
How many in the UPCI believe the light doctrine and what is the official stance on it?
Bishop JW is looking less odd by the minute in comparison to the whole picture.

New Light Doctrine was with Pentecost since its inception.