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06-22-2025, 07:15 AM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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Originally Posted by Esaias
For all your dispensationalist friends:
Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 27:26-30 KJV
And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son. [27] And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed: [28] Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: [29] Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. [30] And it came to pass, as soon as Isaac had made an end of blessing Jacob, and Jacob was yet scarce gone out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother came in from his hunting.
Numbers 24:2-9 KJV
And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him. [3] And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Beor hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said: [4] He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open: [5] How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel! [6] As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes which the LORD hath planted, and as cedar trees beside the waters. [7] He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted. [8] God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows. [9] He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.
Genesis 28:1-4 KJV
And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. [2] Arise, go to Padan–aram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother. [3] And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; [4] And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.
Galatians 3:7-9 KJV
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. [8] And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. [9] So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:13-14 KJV
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: [14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Ephesians 2:11-19 KJV
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. [18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Who is the "Antichrist"?
1 John 2:22-23 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1 John 4:2-6 KJV
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. [4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. [5] They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. [6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Should we bless the wicked who blaspheme God?
Psalm 139:19-22 KJV
Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. [20] For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. [21] Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? [22] I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Does this conflict with Jesus' instructions to bless those that hate us? Consider Proverbs:
Proverbs 25:21-22 KJV
If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: [22] For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
The same God said both things through His inspired writers. Jesus wasn't talking about giving all your money and support to the antichrist. The passage in Proverbs, and it's corollary in both the Beatitudes and Romans 12, deal with one's personal enemies and religious persecutors. It is not dealing with national policy or giving one's support to the wicked. And most importantly, not supporting the antichrist is by no means the same thing as "cursing" anyone.
Summary:
God promised that He would bless those who bless Abraham, and curse those who cursed Abraham. This blessing was transferred to Isaac and Jacob and to Jacob's 12 sons and their descendants, the Biblical "Israel". All nations were to be blessed in Abraham, not just in a temporal sense because Abraham/Israel were going to be doing good to and being a benefit to all nations, but especially because Abraham and his descendants (Israel) would bring the Gospel to the nations. Those of the nations who are converted to the God of Abraham through Jesus Christ are made part of the Biblical nation of Israel. Those of Judah who rejected Christ are cut off from being the Biblical nation of Israel (see Romans 11). Therefore, there is no "Israel of God" in the world except Christians. Moreover, the people over in the mideast who claim to be Israelis or "Jews" (Judahites) are not even ethnically descended from Abraham and Jacob for the most part, but instead are members of a religion that claims to be Judahites (Jews), of which Jesus Himself spoke:
Revelation 2:8-9 KJV
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; [9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 KJV
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
So, only the Biblically illiterate can be snared by Ted Cruz' dispensational Judaism-First theology.
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06-22-2025, 03:36 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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Yes, but they don’t care. They’ve been spoon fed Zionism from the pulpit for decades.
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06-22-2025, 03:42 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
When Tucker Carlson questioned Ted Cruz concerning if he understood Iranian culture. How many people were in Iran, what was its culture? Ted Cruz was absolutely clueless. Iran has the second largest Jewish population outside of Israel. I post this information so you will know what is happening to you. How there are those who are supposed to have your best interest in mind, but are misinformed concerning the Middle East. There are Muslims, Jews, and Christians in Iran. Ted Cruz needs to educate himself, but he won't. He has an agenda. Instead of striving for peace, they want war. The problem with war, is that the enemy isn't the only one to die. Our young people die, because thoughtless politicians use our children as cannon fodder.
https://youtube.com/shorts/xAmQDxM4C...aberYYhzrZAzRL
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06-22-2025, 03:58 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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Originally Posted by diakonos
Yes, but they don’t care. They’ve been spoon fed Zionism from the pulpit for decades.
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We don't care that they don't care. We care that we care.
Casting pearl isn't our job. Individuals who believe what they believe because they are part of a group. That's why they won't let us join in any of their reindeer games. Because we don't repeat the manual instead of the Bible. Hey I get it, you have individuals who are over congregations who tell their people they personally need to study the Old Testament more. That they don't really know eschatology very well? If I told my clients I didn't know how to fix their machines they go find another mechanic, or carpenter. Yet, you have ministers who just know Acts 2:38 and Deuteronomy 6:4-9, who just sweat in their suits while they scream those verses out? I care about Apostolic Pentecostals more than anyone can imagine. But unless the Lord build the house those who build it labor in vain. Except the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake for no reason. The road is narrow and the doorway is small. Few are they who find it. I just hope those few get a hold of God with both hands holding an altar, with snot bubbles and tears. Jesus will find them and lead them. I have no doubt. But beating my self to death trying to convince an individual that fat meat is really greasy is a waste of precious time.
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06-22-2025, 09:53 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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Originally Posted by diakonos
Yes, but they don’t care. They’ve been spoon fed Zionism from the pulpit for decades.
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Which is why I also don't really "care". I just lay it out for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The issue isn't about "convincing everyone", it's about being a witness and using whatever position God puts you in to effect change around you in whatever way He deems sufficient.
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06-28-2025, 09:50 AM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
This guy has quite a following amongst Christianity. My sibling being one of them..(He does acknowledge the siege of Jerusalem in AD70 as fulfilling at least some of Jesus’s words in Matthew 24 in another video at another time…)
He put this online as to straighten out both Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson.
But it is mostly arguing for Ted Cruz and against Tucker Carlson.
What a mess… that doesn’t seem is ever gonna get worked out
https://youtu.be/ICie3XpsKuY
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09-09-2025, 10:29 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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But it is mostly arguing for Ted Cruz and against Tucker Carlson.
What a mess… that doesn’t seem is ever gonna get worked out
https://youtu.be/ICie3XpsKuY
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The argument between Carlson and Cruz is like some hypothetical disagreement between Allen Dulles and John McCone...
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11-08-2025, 02:38 PM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
Man. I can’t believe how disoriented I am.
I’ve got Bible verses that tell me the Euphrates is going to dry up and nations that gather around to destroy Israel are going to get pummeled by Jesus at the end.
Does anything apply to today at all? And if not, why not just yank Daniel and Revelation of our my Bible and toss it—maybe Jefferson had a point when he went off with the scissors and an editorial reflex.
Seriously. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Is Jesus coming back at all at this point? Or am I sitting in the “credits rolling” section of a film that’s run already?
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11-09-2025, 07:21 AM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
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Man. I can’t believe how disoriented I am.
I’ve got Bible verses that tell me the Euphrates is going to dry up and nations that gather around to destroy Israel are going to get pummeled by Jesus at the end.
Does anything apply to today at all? And if not, why not just yank Daniel and Revelation of our my Bible and toss it—maybe Jefferson had a point when he went off with the scissors and an editorial reflex.
Seriously. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Is Jesus coming back at all at this point? Or am I sitting in the “credits rolling” section of a film that’s run already?
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No, it does make sense to you. Step back and examine the scripture from the first century perspective. Instead of us squeezing the United States and 1948 to present Modern Israel into the narrative. Consider how the audience of Jesus and His Apostles understood the world around them. Jesus rebuked His followers for thinking He was missing lunch, when He told them He had food that they didn’t know about. Because the prophetic language is highly symbolic people take artistic license with the Bible and come up with all kinds of misconceptions. It’s not that it doesn’t make sense to you Ronnie, it does. Just keep reading, and try to see it through their eyes.
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11-12-2025, 09:30 AM
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Re: Ted Cruz believes if you bless Israel
There is an eschatology teaching which places Modern Israel in the middle of a world upheaval. Modern Israel has the entire world come against it. Some interpretations has the United States no longer around. This is surmised by the United States not being mentioned in the Bible. Yet, more imaginative prophecy teachers see certain verses that can be interpreted as the United States being present. As an attacker, more than an ally. Some views have Israel building a third temple complete with sacrificial scarlet bovine. A priesthood, and a legitimate high priest. Everything ready for a messianic figure to appear. Ultimately all nations of the world surround the Nation of Modern Israel, but their destruction is brought to a halt due to Jesus entering the eastern gate on a white horse seated on a cloud. Every modern Israeli (only a remnant because 3/4 have died) see Jesus’ wounds and convert. This starts a thousand year time clock. Which Jesus rules from the third temple. The entire world is governed from Jerusalem for the 1,000 years. When the last day of the 1,000’ years are finished, Satan gets another shot at Jesus and His followers. Satan deceives 3/4s of the faithful resurrected saints of Jesus Christ. Satan then leads a rebellion against physical Jerusalem where Jesus Christ is King. Yet, fire falls from Heavenly Father ( their interpretation not mine) and destroys the rebellious leaf eaters.
While my own sarcasm is weaved through out the above. This was (still might be) the prominent thought within some Pentecostal and Baptists.
Yet, with all eschatological views many tweak certain parts to fit their denomination. Also individual ministers polish up some points, add some details, or do away with the need of a third temple. They also will state the verse of Corinthians about seeing through a glass darkly. Which has ZERO to do with doctrine coming out of a minister of Christ. Because of darkly viewing an eschatological issue is cool, then Godhead, and Soteriology also fall under those grinding wheels. Placing one in a precarious situation. Therefore everything can’t be truly understood until we make it to the fully known part of the verse. That’s if the Apostle was dealing with eschatology or ministers being novices.
In a discussion with a Greek Orthodox priest, he mentioned to me that the Orthodox rarely dealt with eschatology. Due to the verse in Revelation which states there shall be no adding or subtracting. Yet, I’ve found that Christians aren’t bothered by Revelation 22:18-19. Because they treat it like a pack of cigarettes. Which have a warning but because they want to continue to smoke away, the warning is ignored.
Hence the Pan Trib version is used as a clever retort. Meaning the the individual will just let it play out in real time to see what happens. Yet, we aren’t told that in any book of the Bible. Even in the day to day, we say the Trinity is incorrect, not speaking in tongues is incorrect. Yet, if we accept the quip of a “Pan Trib” wouldn’t all and everything can be listed under that banner as well?
I was called a antisemite “loudly” by a “friend” last night while having dinner in a resturant. I would go into the details, but anyone knowing me can tell you it turned out pretty funny. My one hour rebuttal had my “friend” and the table across from us agreeing with me. Not only that I wasn’t antisemitic, but what I was saying was logical and factually true. If one doctrine is antisemitic, then wouldn’t the teaching of Jesus being the way, the truth, and the life be as antisemitic as well? That no man can come to the Father, unless you accept Christ? It was 200 years ago? If you go to Jerusalem and meet up with a Haredim Jew (who will gladly spit on you) he will tell you that the teaching of Jesus as Messiah is antisemitic. I once had an apostolic minister shout at me that a verse I used was antisemitic. I quoted 1 Thessalonians 2:15. Any Rabbi, Orthodox Jew, Satmar, Lubavitch, even Ben Shapiro would emphatically agree that 1 Thessalonians 2:15 “sounds” antisemitic. Yet, it isn’t, because the Roman Paul who was a Judean wrote those words. He didn’t mean all Judeans who were ever born. He meant it for all those who would come against the teachings of Christ.
We are living in interesting times, and people are getting revelation. As Apostolic Pentecostals I pray and hope we can influence the lost and see the baptized in Jesus name. See them get the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues. Yet, it would be way easier if we didn’t kill each other off in the long run. Let’s pray for all brothers and sisters in the Apostolic movement. That those who are getting revelations in truth will find an Apostolic church to get baptized in Jesus name by an actual minister in real time. Not over the phone while they dunk themselves in the bathtub. But that’s a whole other story.
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