John MacArthur Didn't like to speak in tongues.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Steve, could you explain a bit more clearly what you mean?

Maybe explain the difference of how you see the blood of Jesus compared to how MacArthur saw the blood of Jesus.

Let us start with my beliefs:

Romans 3:24-26 (AV)
”Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:
that he might be just,
and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

Romans 5:9 (AV)
”Much more then,
being now justified by his blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

Ephesians 1:7 (AV)
”In whom we have redemption through his blood,
the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace;”

Ephesians 2:13 (AV)
”But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

Hebrews 10:19 (AV)
“Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,”

1 Peter 1:18-19 (AV)
”Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold,
from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ,
as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:”

Revelation 12:11 (AV)
“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

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And I also believe that the blood of Jesus went down through the earthquake crack at Golgotha, landing on the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant.

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More verses to add!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

And I also believe that the blood of Jesus went down through the earthquake crack at Golgotha, landing on the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant.

Thank you for your answers.

As far as Jesus being a ritualistic human sacrifice for mankind is a teaching that the Rabbis accuse Christians of believing. Deuteronomy 12:31, Jeremiah 7:31, and Leviticus 20:2–5. Human sacrifice rituals are forbidden in scripture. Jesus' crucifixion wasn't a human sacrifice. He willingly took the penalty of death for all mankind. Jesus' crucifixion: was not human sacrifice in the sense of religious ritual, but rather a voluntary act where Jesus accepted the penalty of death on behalf of the sons of Man, providing atonement for sins. Which emphasizes Jesus' willingness to die for others, rather than being killed by one person for another's benefit, distinguishing it from the forbidden human sacrifices in the Old Testament. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told by Jesus, the apostles, or the Apostle Paul that the blood of Jesus needed to be applied to the mercy seat.

For all those who don't know about the Ron Wyatt Jesus blood sample from off the mercy seat story. Ron Wyatt never took Jeremiah 3:16 into consideration.

Ron Wyatt claimed he discovered the Ark of the Covenant in a chamber beneath Golgotha and found a "crack in the ceiling above the Ark's Mercy Seat", through which he believed Jesus' blood dripped during the crucifixion. He alleged the dried, black substance from the crack was analyzed as Jesus' blood, containing 24 chromosomes (23 from Mary, one Y from the Holy Spirit), indicating a divine origin and fulfilling the biblical prophecy of atonement by placing divine blood on the Mercy Seat. However, his claims have been met with considerable skepticism and lack corroborating evidence from mainstream scientific and archaeological communities.

Also, Ron Wyatt never took Jeremiah 3:16 into consideration.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Which, was rather ignorant. If a stranger stood up in your church and started rebuking your pastor would you hear him out?

No, you would not!

It's also upsetting to the congregation. It's like a visiting preacher who climbs into a pulpit and starts to teach contrary to the ministry of the host church. It doesn't work out too well. You would best save your breath to cool your porridge. Because it's literally going in one ear and out the other. Getting up and rebuking the pastor is unprofitable to the rebuker, the pastor, and the saints. It is also mayhem, because it catches everyone off guard. It makes the rebuker look bonkers. Which is all the church family are going to remember. The day the kook came and yelled at the preacher. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's ALMOST as if mainstream Christianity isn't actually Christianity, but some other religion...

It is another religion.

It is a blend of myth and fables. Had a pastor visit one of my brothers at hospice. He took off praying and started to gag and spit up while he was revving his engines in prayers. The dude said it was the Holy Ghost? His church family who were with him agreed. Absolutely bewildering.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is another religion.

It is a blend of myth and fables. Had a pastor visit one of my brothers at hospice. He took off praying and started to gag and spit up while he was revving his engines in prayers. The dude said it was the Holy Ghost? His church family who were with him agreed. Absolutely bewildering.

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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is another religion.

It is a blend of myth and fables. Had a pastor visit one of my brothers at hospice. He took off praying and started to gag and spit up while he was revving his engines in prayers. The dude said it was the Holy Ghost? His church family who were with him agreed. Absolutely bewildering.

I've been in churches where if a person starts praying, and starts praying in tongues, and then coughs, everybody thinks that person has a demon instead and tries to lay hands on them to cast it out. Didn't happen to me but I've seen when a cough during prayer was taken that way.

[diakonos]

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[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I've been in churches where if a person starts praying, and starts praying in tongues, and then coughs, everybody thinks that person has a demon instead and tries to lay hands on them to cast it out. Didn't happen to me but I've seen when a cough during prayer was taken that way.

Over 20 years ago (man, I’m old) in a youth service there was a young woman who was being prayed for/over. Because she wouldn’t speak in tongues people assumed she was fighting/had a devil.

I don’t know where people get this stuff from.

[diakonos]

Hey, it was ok to dress casual on Wednesday night and maybe even Sunday mornings. But if we dressed casual on Sunday nights, man o man, they had to “pray us through.”

So, sometimes I would dress casual on purpose.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Also, Ron Wyatt never took Jeremiah 3:16 into consideration.

Yes, he did.
Maybe you read the verse superficially?