The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

That is all I was trying to know. I would not want to misrepresent anyone.

Im glad we were able to clarify both of our positions ....

Originally Posted by Felicity

I think you've made yourself clear. That isn't the issue.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and exegesis with us. Can you think of another scripture/s that would affirm your understanding of John 3:8 and what it means and signifies?

Ah, good afternoon Felicity, I just read your PM, Thanks.

You're welcome. I have given many other scriptures throughout this discussion that pertain to the fulfillment of the New Birth teaching from John 3 that mainly occur in the 2nd chapter of Acts where the New Birth was initially fulfilled. Of course there are many other references to it throughout Acts and within the Epistles. Howbeit, again, the main correlation occurs at the point of fulfillment, just as with the other prophesies and foreshadowing.

For example, another interesting foreshadowing to the event on the day of Pentecost is found in John as well. Very deep and mysterious book that John and many clues therein.

John 20

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Interesting foreshadowing of the Day of Pentecost. They didn't receive the Spirit here, rather Jesus was giving clues or signs for that which was to come in the upper room where the breath of new life would flow as the sound of a rushing mighty wind in the way of that sign that preluded the Spiritual Birth as part of the New Birth taught by Jesus in John 3. And of course as it was prophesied, that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, we see the cloven tongues occurring in tandem to illustrate the event in this light as well.

It surely must have been a quickening event wherein all this should take place at once in the sight of His Disciples in order to fulfill so many of Jesus’ teachings, foreshadowing, and prophesies. God Bless, Theo.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Which of the two ... PP ... might give you more glimpses at truth ??? Or should we rely on Hall's historical books only ....???

I couldn't care less about Hall, or Bernard, or Yadon or even Andy Urshan!!!!
What does the WORD say? That's all that matters to me. If you haven't noticed by now, I find myself very conservative and rigid on doctrine, and increasingly liberal on social issues.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here is what I have gathered from the 700 posts on this thread.

Daniel believes faith that brings repentance is all that is necessary to save.
But he thinks it would be really terrific if someone would go ahead and get baptized afterwards, and that the Holy Ghost is an unsolicited gift.

That sounds a lot like the PAJC spin said of Goss and the others ...

PP ... really now ...

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I couldn't care less about Hall, or Bernard, or Yadon or even Andy Urshan!!!!
What does the WORD say? That's all that matters to me. If you haven't noticed by now, I find myself very conservative and rigid on doctrine, and increasingly liberal on social issues.

The club is growing!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

That sounds a lot like the PAJC spin said of Goss and the others ...

PP ... really now ...

Daniel!!!! This is maddening.
I am not spinning and you know it. I have absolutely no agenda here.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Daniel!!!! This is maddening.
I am not spinning and you know it. I have absolutely no agenda here.

PP ... you have an agenda.

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Uh pardon me, brother, but I believe those 'attacks' are a two way street... You're no more innocent in this than he is.

I do not think I have ever accused anyone of intentionally murdering or torturing anyone spiritually. Find the post and prove it. I can clearly point out the ones where it was said.

I certainly do not deny my position on the gospel and that I think the PCI perspective is incorrect. That said, i do not think that anyone who changes their position is intentionally trying to present a weak doctrine that will lead folks to hell. That was the implication of many of the posts here.

You seem to have a preconceived idea that I have changed simply because you have changed or that because I have friends to your right that I am sitting in judgment or condemnation of you. You are wrong. I will repeat what I stated in another post to you. I am the same guy in every way that I was sitting in PF Chang's. My question would be are you?

You need to back up a step or two and shake off a little of your self righteous holier than thou attitudes and remember that this is a discussion board and we all have opinions and all have some that are right and some that are wrong!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP ... you have an agenda.

Tell me what it is, Oh great swamie?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

I do not think I have ever accused anyone of intentionally murdering or torturing anyone spiritually. Find the post and prove it. I can clearly point out the ones where it was said.

I certainly do not deny my position on the gospel and that I think the PCI perspective is incorrect. That said, i do not think that anyone who changes their position is intentionally trying to present a weak doctrine that will lead folks to hell. That was the implication of many of the posts here.

You seem to have a preconceived idea that I have changed simply because you have changed or that because I have friends to your right that I am sitting in judgment or condemnation of you. You are wrong. I will repeat what I stated in another post to you. I am the same guy in every way that I was sitting in PF Chang's. My question would be are you?

You need to back up a step or two and shake off a little of your self righteous holier than thou attitudes and remember that this is a discussion board and we all have opinions and all have some that are right and some that are wrong!

I think ... um... PP's on first on your list ... he started that thread ... that's the guy w/o an agenda ... When you're done w/ him ... you come 'round and we'll talk ....