? because he infers I need to go to church? that makes him missed?
wow. it is so easy to be missed. I know it is easy to toss that kind of insult around. no real intelectual investment. I didnt realize how valuable such a comment was.
generally I find Thumper quite thoughtful. today I find he and Guy insulting.
at least Thumper didnt insult my manhood.
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I have received phone calls amidst speculation as to why I have left. Today is the first time I have logged since July. It is not and NEVER has been my intention to control anything that goes on here on this forum. I am not an owner and I have nothing invested here other than time. My comments here MUST NOT be construed as trying to hurt this forum or do anything negative in any way whatsoever.
I am FOR truth and have repeatedly stated that we NEVER need be afraid of truth or telling the truth, including why I or anyone else has left this forum, their organization, or what have you. It is truth that sets people free. I am FOR freedom of expression of ideas on this forum whether they be pro or con UPC or any other organization. Truth is truth.
I have NOT left because of anything to do the "Ohio Church" thread.
The truth is, IMO, that there is a "tension" that exists between two viewpoints on the Admin team. Those two viewpoints have caused tension on more than one occasion. Even in the midst of that, I have NEVER been treated any other way by any member of the Admin team other than with respect and kindness. However, I am not and NEVER will again be UPC. My viewpoint is at odds with some others when it comes to the level of truth that can be discussed and issues that are "fair game" on this forum.
Since I am not an owner, I do not feel that it is fair for me to "pull" the direction of this forum in any way. However, it became a source of frustration for me to go back and forth on these "control" issues. I have no desire whatsoever to re-hash those issues. I have been out of the UPC for over 10yrs and have no desire to go back and fight those battles. For that reason and that reason alone, I chose to leave so as not to cause continued friction from my point of view. The last thing I want to do is cause trouble. No one asked me to leave, quite to the contrary, I was asked to stay. I love everyone here including every single one of the Admins who have treated me kindly.
IMO, the two viewpoints can't co-exist. There is too much pressure from the outside. (purely my opinion)
In the church I pastor, we have had to deal with some extremely difficult issues, one being child molestation from one of our SS staff. He currently is prison. I hid NOTHING from the church, the police or anyone. Since we dealt with it "head-on" and other issues as well over the years, we have not even landed in the paper in a negative light. If you hide nothing, people have nothing to "dig" up.
I have gone on record stating that when truth is stifled on this forum, in any manner, I'm gone.
You all are a GREAT bunch of people who have blessed me abundantly. You are greatly appreciated. Please don't be upset if I'm no longer here. I have not hidden my true identity, phone numbers or email address. I have nothing to fear from anyone. To contact me, go to:
Did I ever tell you that I appreciate you and your wife? If I didn't, just want you to know I do. I believe everything you stated in this and I also know how difficult it is to do the right thing. We had a board member who was arrested for the same reason and the repercussions didn't quit but we never tried to cover it up like the previous administration. It gave the person in charge a measure of control...to buy his silence.
I also agree that there are control issues between the two forces and I am often caught between and my posts often deleted, but he who has the money has the power.
Just to clarify...many times my posts need deleted and they do that to protect me from myself so I don't have any gripes...just agreeing with MOW that there is an imbalance of power.
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We're 20 pages away from the initial post, so a play-by-play summary that has some people here on AFF concerned, with Ferd leading the charge, is as follows:
Key talking points:
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Originally Posted by MOW
I am FOR freedom of expression of ideas on this forum whether they be pro or con UPC or any other organization. Truth is truth.
The bolded statement seems to suggest that he thinks some discussion is being censored or suppressed...considering he was an inside man, his words seem to carry further weight.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MOW
The truth is, IMO, that there is a "tension" that exists between two viewpoints on the Admin team.
A tension that he seems to think may be due to outside forces or pressure...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MOW
My viewpoint is at odds with some others when it comes to the level of truth that can be discussed and issues that are "fair game" on this forum.
This further suggests his view that there is some censorship going on that does not give room to arguably 'fair game' topics.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MOW
IMO, the two viewpoints can't co-exist. There is too much pressure from the outside. (purely my opinion)
Confirmation for my comment on item #2 above.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MOW
I have gone on record stating that when truth is stifled on this forum, in any manner, I'm gone.
Confirmation for my comment on item #1 above
These are the key talking points of MOW's post and decision for stepping away.
Just to clarify...many times my posts need deleted and they do that to protect me from myself so I don't have any gripes...just agreeing with MOW that there is an imbalance of power.
Blessings, Rhoni
Rhoni,
Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.
St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib
So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.
BTW Truth was never stifled on this board. I've never been to another Apostolic board where we discussed so many diverse things from two far apart views like on standards than this board
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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