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Old 08-10-2007, 01:30 PM
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Furthermore, I do not know of a single church where the pastor does keep all the tithe, UPC, ALJC, or any other.

I do. I received a phone call from one of the members of this church less than a week ago asking me to sponsor her in a rock-a-thon. I asked her what they were raising money for, and she told me that it was just to increase the amount in the church treasury so that they can meet obligations. It's truly sad that a church has to resort to fundraisers to pay the bills because of the bulk of the money going through the church being put into the pastor's pocket while church utility bills go unpaid.

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Tithes are not a heavy matter. It floats to the top.

If we give and not love it's not worth anything.

If I Pastored; I would teach that I do not believe tithes is a requirement.

Then I would say, Give if you want, willingly with joy.

If you fell you must tithe go ahead.

I am sure God will bless it and you.

But if you can not and do not want to; don't.
I think Cooper is a closet tithe payer, and just posts threads like this to see people fight over tithes.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:45 PM
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I do. I received a phone call from one of the members of this church less than a week ago asking me to sponsor her in a rock-a-thon. I asked her what they were raising money for, and she told me that it was just to increase the amount in the church treasury so that they can meet obligations. It's truly sad that a church has to resort to fundraisers to pay the bills because of the bulk of the money going through the church being put into the pastor's pocket while church utility bills go unpaid.



I think Cooper is a closet tithe payer, and just posts threads like this to see people fight over tithes.


FG, that is sad. Notice I said, "I" do not know. I cannot vouch for them all.

Over the last eight years, my contact with UPC and ALJC has been somewhat limited however.
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To those who had kept some of the law, but not all, justifying themselves in their own eyes.

As some still do.

So do you agree he was speaking to jews who were under the law at that time and ought to have paid tithes???


Matthew 23:23 was correction for not keep all the law.


you stated "as some still do"

Your right, do you believe all the scriptures on tithes should be followed today??
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I believe ALL scriptural principles pertain to us.
so do your teach one that is made clean must show themselves to the priest and offer the gift..... as Jesus said to do????
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First off it is not a command to be considered dis-obedience.

Give and you will be blessed yes.

But not required if you do not tithe.

I did did not say the Pastor should refuse any one giving.
I do consider tithing to be a Biblical commandment. Therefore, I would be uncomfortable attending a church that didn't also teach tithing (and offerings...I assume....)

If I did attend one (highly doubtful), I would continue to pay tithes and offerings according to my convictions, and the church would just have to figure out what to do with the money.
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Did Jesus receive tithes.
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so do your teach one that is made clean must show themselves to the priest and offer the gift..... as Jesus said to do????

I believe the gift has already been offered, and one day, perhaps soon, I will stand clean before the Highest Priest, after the order of Melchisedec, who BTW received tithes of Abraham, who, BTW, was called faithful.
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Did Jesus receive tithes.
More importantly, did He pay tithes?
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So do you agree he was speaking to jews who were under the law at that time and ought to have paid tithes???


Matthew 23:23 was correction for not keep all the law.


you stated "as some still do"

Your right, do you believe all the scriptures on tithes should be followed today??
The "as some still do" refers to self-justification.

Relax, brother, don't feel obligated.
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I believe the gift has already been offered, and one day, perhaps soon, I will stand clean before the Highest Priest, after the order of Melchisedec, who BTW received tithes of Abraham, who, BTW, was called faithful.


Jesus didn't teach for them to do it one day as you purpose.

BTW do you think ALL scriptures should be taught on tithes??
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