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[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Don't let it throw you. I am very impressed with so much spirituality.

I deny the accusation. That accusation is unkind and unfounded.

I always encourage people to seek for as much of God as they can get. I encourage you to do the same. Certainly, I do continually.

May I come to where you are? I would love to just hear you pray. Maybe we could enter into the portals of prayer together. I am always seeking for more of God.

Notice: See how carnal I am? I used the word "I" nine...whoops ten times in this one post.

Brother Strange,

Your post is most telling. I will pray for you. I do hope you are blessed.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I totally agree, but where Paul didn't mention specifics, just the action verb alone, you are trying to limit Paul's intentions in what he was saying in that verse.

Uh, HELLO! That's EXACTLY what YOU are doing. I quoted scripture. You added to it.

And you aren't doing the same thing? I quoted Paul, and you add what you think he was talking about by bringing in people who aren't the man's family as if they were.

Okay, please find and post ANY credible Bible commentary that agrees with what you are saying about 1 Timothy 5:8. This is not me 'making up' or 'adding to' anything. You are just COMPLETELY out of context. NO ONE AGREES WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THIS PASSAGE. NO ONE!

I am puzzled about your following statement:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

...you add what you think he was talking about by bringing in people who aren't the man's family as if they were.

I have no clue what you mean by this.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Brother Strange,

Your post is most telling. I will pray for you. I do hope you are blessed.

Telling because I used the word "I" ten times in one post? LOL...

Are you trying to be condescending to me?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Are you trying to be condescending to me?

Not in the least. I felt you were doing that already by yourself.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

You never said it or implied it? Really. Okay, here it is....





When you consider these with your afore statements, it is apparent you were saying a man unwilling to kill another man for his family is less than an infidel. Sister, what else could you be ‘saying’ or ‘implying’ with your above statements? If I am wrong, please explain what you meant when posting these statements.

God Bless you Sister!

Protection is what I was referring to. Feel free to define that as you wish.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Brother Strange,

Your post is most telling. I will pray for you. I do hope you are blessed.

Thanks for the prayer. Heaven knows that I need a lot of it.

But what was it about my post that was so telling? Was it that I used the word "I?"

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Okay, please find and post ANY credible Bible commentary that agrees with what you are saying about 1 Timothy 5:8. This is not me 'making up' or 'adding to' anything. You are just COMPLETELY out of context. NO ONE AGREES WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THIS PASSAGE. NO ONE!

I am puzzled about your following statement:



I have no clue what you mean by this.

You will find it in the same place that you will find that grabbing an attacker to stop them is allowed in scripture, but using deadly force isn't.

Have fun!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

You will find it in the same place that you will find that grabbing an attacker to stop them is allowed in scripture, but using deadly force isn't.

Have fun!

So much for an edifying discussion.

Ask an honest question and look what you get; SHOT AT!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Wow! I just never saw a preacher of the gospel be so against people trying to live like Jesus. Sorry, I heard you were, but your above post threw me.

How coy. Are you a man or a woman?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

. . .
I totally agree, but where Paul didn't mention specifics, just the action verb alone, you are trying to limit Paul's intentions in what he was saying in that verse.

Uh, HELLO! That's EXACTLY what YOU are doing. I quoted scripture. You added to it.

And you aren't doing the same thing? I quoted Paul, and you add what you think he was talking about by bringing in people who aren't the man's family as if they were.

Again, show me where protecting one's family is wrong. In addition, as someone else mentioned, show me where simply holding back an attacker is allowed by Christians, but stopping them with deadly force isn't.
You all are making up the rules as you go along.
In all sincerety.

If a man is unwilling to do whatever it takes to stop an attacker from harming his family, he is worse than an infidel.

Abraham sacked a city and spoiled it in response to members of his extended family being captured. Afterwards, he partied and paid tithe. Abraham was a friend of God.

The law required an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Things were set up to provide the best shot at fairness. Men were expected to avenge the blood of their kinsmen. God doesn't change, but now we have people who don't believe God wants them to be willing to fight for their families.

Brother Strange nailed it when he said that such actions, if needed, would be performed out of love for those protected.

I pray for protection, and I believe in divine protection. Yet many of God's mysterious ways of moving are through the words and deeds of men.

I wonder if EB and L&F have ever discussed this with their wives. I mean actually told them that if an intruder attacks the wife or kids that they aren't going to personally intervene, but rather ask God to do it. If this stance were explained prior to the wedding, most women would pause to reconsider the marriage.

While He was here, Jesus had needs in His flesh. Jesus met these needs of His flesh without sin. He ate, He drank, He slept, He built fires to keep warm, He obtained and wore clothing, He obtained and wore shoes, He got happy, He got sad and cried, He got angry and horsewhipped a bunch of heathen reprobates. Uh oh! Where did that come from??? oloroid

It isn't sin for us today to provide for the needs of our flesh. It's still a requirement for men to meet the needs of our families. EB and L&F, your wives and children need your leadership, your prayers, and your teaching, yes, but they also need your protection from evildoers in addition to the rent, clothes, and groceries.

The principles have been spelled out a hundred different ways here. Rather than acknowledge principles, a great deal of nitpicking the details has gone on. There is only one word for a person who doesn't want to acknowledge an inconvenient principle. There is only one word for a person who ducks behind a curtain of "chapter and verse only" (NT, by the way, if you please) when their hide is on the line.