Ancient Monarchians and Trinitarians

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Believer

A.D. 180 Church apologist Theophilus, bishop of Antioch, first uses the term Trinity to describe God: In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity (triados) of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom. (Theophilius, To Autolycus 2.15)

Tertullian of Carthage A.D. 213 "As if in this way also one were no All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons. (agaist Praxeas 2, in ANFm vol 3)

Both are before the 3rd century.

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is sequential modalism ... I think Talmadge French and some other Oneness theologians are simultaneous modalists ... the believe that God manifests in himself in these 3 modes simultaneously.

You're right Sabellius would get the boot today ... as the Divine Fleshers, Preterists and other "heretics" have

So would Emmanuel Swedenborg. He is another form of Oneness that David Bernard used in his book "The Oneness of God" to prove that Oneness was in high swings back in 1688 - 1772. Of course what Bernard didn't tell his readers is, Emmanuel Swedenborg was into the occult.

Originally Posted by BobDylan

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

The term one God has always been used by all trinitarians. One God doesn't mean one Person. But, I'm hear to learn so please show me. thanks

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Believer

So would Emmanuel Swedenborg. He is another form of Oneness that David Bernard used in his book "The Oneness of God" to prove that Oneness was in high swings back in 1688 - 1772. Of course what Bernard didn't tell his readers is, Emmanuel Swedenborg was into the occult.

So Swedenborg is part of the "remnant"???

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So Swedenborg is part of the "remnant"???

only according to David Bernard.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Believer

only according to David Bernard.

That's an OOPS.

Well my new friends, I need to get off for the night. Its midnight and I've had a glass of wine. Oh.... wine won't send me to hell will it?

[SDG]

btw, I'm still MORE ONENESS THE ALL OF Y'ALL!!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Believer

A.D. 180 Church apologist Theophilus, bishop of Antioch, first uses the term Trinity to describe God: In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity (triados) of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom. (Theophilius, To Autolycus 2.15)

Yeah but that's not the same as teaching Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three distinct persons. Who knows what he had in mind.

Tertullian of Carthage A.D. 213 "As if in this way also one were no All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons. (agaist Praxeas 2, in ANFm vol 3)

Both are before the 3rd century.

Tertullian would be 3rd century. Im kinda curious though what Tertullian meant by Person..what was the underlying greek or latin word. Was it Prosopon or Hypostasis?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

ok...isn't 0-100 ad the first century? 101-200 the second? 201-300 the third?