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Old 09-29-2007, 03:52 PM
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WOW, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Whoa, hold on; remember where you're reading this information and the dude who is reporting it.
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:54 PM
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I know more than one pastor who has had "house inspections" to check the saint's closets

If it's good enough for the saints, why not the preachers ???
More than ONE? Where do you get this stuff from?
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:57 PM
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Mods and libs are not "in control."

We are still a very, very, very, conservative and traditional organization.

Anyone who thinks the UPC became lib overnight is delusional.

Their are certain ideologies deeply entrenched in us - a way of thinking that is woven into the fabric of our cognitive processes.


It sounds like you are describing a Borg....huh? :sshhh
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:01 PM
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It sounds like you are describing a Borg....huh? :sshhh
Yes.

I probably shouldn't comment further.
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:08 PM
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Whoa, hold on; remember where you're reading this information and the dude who is reporting it.
Are you suggesting that the AFF allows for calumnious remarks to be made...Thad often comes across as someone with "inside scoop"....is it allowed for him to come with damaging information if it is not true?
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:20 PM
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Are you suggesting that the AFF allows for calumnious remarks to be made...Thad often comes across as someone with "inside scoop"....is it allowed for him to come with damaging information if it is not true?
I shudder to think if anyone takes that stuff for truth.
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:23 PM
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My sympathies to the Papal wannabes who are stuck in traditional paradigm thinking and can't see the forest for the trees.

Rome forced a one way of thinking upon all churches, or else. The codified it, but it in creeds and said unless you think this way, you can not be in the church. You MUST think this way, believe this way and be this way to be part of our group. It is law. It is codified therefore if our forefathers believed it, it must be true and if so then it must be true for us. To think outside of that box is to be a heretic. The RCC was and is unchangeable. Rather as a solution people left her. But they fell to the same mistakes in thinking in codifying law and even in adhering to previous codified laws making belief in things like the Trinity mandatory.

When we were part of the AOG it was held by all that there would be no codification of any view other than what the bible specifically says. Because this allowed others to introduce Jesus name baptism and Oneness of the godhead, the Trinitarians in the AOG, who were the majority, felt THEIR "heritage" was being threatened and never for a moment would they dare entertain the idea that perhaps their heritage was wrong in some areas.

And what did the AOG do to us forward thinkers who dared to go against the traditional thinking and heritage of us Pentecostals? They marginalized us and forced us to leave. Their new creed insisted God is a Trinity for all of us. It attempted to think for us, just like Rome did.

This new resolution only allows those that want to, to be able to use TV to advertise. It does not force anyone to approve of TV usage for themselves or their congregations.

Our heritage being the UPC sounds messed up to me. It always did. Putting that much emotional attachment into an organization of men seems counter to biblical Christianity. Should not our heritage be the word of God?
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:31 PM
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WOW, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
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Whoa, hold on; remember where you're reading this information and the dude who is reporting it.
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Are you suggesting that the AFF allows for calumnious remarks to be made...Thad often comes across as someone with "inside scoop"....is it allowed for him to come with damaging information if it is not true?
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I shudder to think if anyone takes that stuff for truth.

Well, I find it disturbing if it were true that most of what Thad reports are just stuff made up in his mind as if this forum were "The Inquirer" and that he would be allowed to spread lies as a form of personal entertainment when many things he shares could be damaging in one form or another...I hope Thad can clarify this.
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:31 PM
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This sir is the difference between both sides ... one wants dialogue, fellowship and tolerance ... the other would have used resolution 3 to set up witch trials to excommunicate brethren .... almost immediately after GC.
Hogwash! Every statement here is tainted with your bias against and apparent disgust with anything traditional.

The libs don't want dialogue unless it is to make room for their ideas.

The libs only want fellowship if there is nothing expected of them while they expect the Cons to never mention what they really believe.

The libs only want tolerance for their views. They want the views of the conservatives to be silenced and not brought forward so that "unity" can be accomplished.

I think you know that I am in favor of unity but I can assure you that garbage posts like the one above do NOTHING to facilitate it.

I repeat, Hogwash!
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:34 PM
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I agree with that post.

One elder stood up during the push to amend the resolution, and bemoaned the fact that enforcement was impossible. He was truly grieved over the fact that we cannot punish men with tv's.

I promise you, if this minority would have won, and could convince the body not to riot, they would actually enter men's homes and search for tv's in the hopes of bringing them up on charges.

If that doesn't sound like Salem, I don't know what does.
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