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09-29-2007, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Mat 22:14 For MANY are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN.
How about looking at the Bible. Oh, there are NO Catholics that have the Holy Ghost, sorry. |
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you can say that, but they're speaking in tongues and claiming to be filled with the Holy Ghost the same as you....
Besides, read the post I responded to... you said "they're making up for the lack of Holy Ghost"... My point was that they don't have a lack of Holy Ghost in many places... at least 1/4 of the churches Christendom (and that's including Catholicism) is filled with the Holy Spirit on some level... If you take Catholicism out it could be as much as 1/2 of the people who are regular church-goers...
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09-29-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
If you consider having classes where people are taught to say Ko Ren Ge Se Ta as speaking in toungues then I don't know what to tell you. They don't have nearly as many filled with the Holy Ghost as you'd like to think.
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you have to be kidding me... There might be some churches that do that, but not 500,000,000 people worth...
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09-29-2007, 06:51 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
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you have to be kidding me... There might be some churches that do that, but not 500,000,000 people worth...
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Brother, I've seen it, so I know it happens. I also know that there is a counterfeit spirit at work in many churches because I've seen that too. I sought the Holy Ghost for several years before coming to the apostolic church, so I know what I am talking about. You may think all these people are filled, but it isn't nearly as many as you think.
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09-29-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
lol
you can say that, but they're speaking in tongues and claiming to be filled with the Holy Ghost the same as you....
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Oh I'm so sorry, but the fact is they're not speaking in tongues, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, boo, foo, koo, kah, choo is not tongues. 
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
Besides, read the post I responded to... you said "they're making up for the lack of Holy Ghost"... My point was that they don't have a lack of Holy Ghost in many places...
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Lack? Oh allow me to correct that a little bit...how about ZIP!
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
at least 1/4 of the churches Christendom (and that's including Catholicism) is filled with the Holy Spirit on some level...
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
If you take Catholicism out it could be as much as 1/2 of the people who are regular church-goers...
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They need to GET SAVED, they are NOT SAVED.
Again, CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.
All this fuss to get television advertising and you have people in the org who think Catholics have the Holy Ghost??
Oh Lord help us.
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09-29-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Brother, I've seen it, so I know it happens. I also know that there is a counterfeit spirit at work in many churches because I've seen that too. I sought the Holy Ghost for several years before coming to the apostolic church, so I know what I am talking about. You may think all these people are filled, but it isn't nearly as many as you think.
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I'm not saying all of them are... but even if only 1/4 of these people are actually filled, that's still a lot more people filled outside of our groups than inside of our groups....
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09-29-2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Oh I'm so sorry, but the fact is they're not speaking in tongues, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, jeeda, boo, foo, koo, kah, choo is not tongues.
Lack? Oh allow me to correct that a little bit...how about ZIP!
They need to GET SAVED, they are NOT SAVED.
Again, CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.
All this fuss to get television advertising and you have people in the org who think Catholics have the Holy Ghost??
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you know whats funny to me? That you think you can say whether people you've never even met are filled with the Holy Ghost or not... That you can mock them and say what they have experienced isn't real even though you don't even know who they are...
and, BTW, I don't agree with Catholic doctrine, but I'm not going to tell someone that what they experience is fake unless I know for sure that it is fake, and since I don't know these people either, I'm not going to say it isn't real... You might be arrogant and heartless enough to say that kind of stuff, but I'm not...
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09-29-2007, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
you know whats funny to me?
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No, do you want to know what's funny to me?
YOU! 
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
That you think you can say whether people you've never even met are filled with the Holy Ghost or not...
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Hey, why not, you have no problem saying that these huge numbers of people (which, you never met) have the Holy Ghost and speak with tongues.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
That you can mock them and say what they have experienced isn't real even though you don't even know who they are...
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By your own judgement you are wrong, because you say that thousands of people you don't know personally HAVE the Holy Ghost.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
and, BTW, I don't agree with Catholic doctrine, but I'm not going to tell someone that what they experience is fake unless I know for sure that it is fake,
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That's sounds like a personal dilemma, so I guess you are fine allowing them to walk in darkness. How many Bible studies are you personally involved with people who are non-Pentecostals?
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
and since I don't know these people either, I'm not going to say it isn't real...
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Than you can't say it is.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
You might be arrogant and heartless enough to say that kind of stuff, but I'm not...
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Not arrogant, or heartless, just realist.
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09-30-2007, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Hey, why not, you have no problem saying that these huge numbers of people (which, you never met) have the Holy Ghost and speak with tongues.
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See, I'm going to assume that if someone claims they have the Holy Ghost and they are speaking in tongues that they do, in fact, have the Holy Ghost...
I mean, you realize that by the logic you are using in this thread you have just given yourself the power to deem people saved and others not saved based upon whatever criteria you choose today, right?? You just placed yourself on the Judgement Seat and have given yourself authority to say who is saved and who is damned...
and that isn't right, brother, you do not have that power or authority and you cannot make those statements.
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By your own judgement you are wrong, because you say that thousands of people you don't know personally HAVE the Holy Ghost.
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No, I'm not making any judgement, I'm simply saying that if they are claiming it all I can do is say "ok"... I mean, they're even speaking in tongues...
I mean who are you to say who's faking it and who's not???
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That's sounds like a personal dilemma, so I guess you are fine allowing them to walk in darkness. How many Bible studies are you personally involved with people who are non-Pentecostals?
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Niether I nor you have the authority to say who is in darkness and who is in light. We can have what we believe to be truth and spread that, but we do not have the authority or right to dictate who is saved and who is not...
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Than you can't say it is.
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It isn't our place to say its real or not... If they claim it, there is nothing we can do except:
A) tell them what it really is
and if they say that is what they experienced, then:
B) give them the benefit of the doubt
There is absolutely no other course of action we can take...
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Not arrogant, or heartless, just realist.
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No, its arrogant and heartless, and that's being nice about it.
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09-30-2007, 12:29 AM
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ultra con (at least here)
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Brother I have no problem and just want to make sure that if anyone can dish it out they can take it right back. I'm not saying that you are part of those who can't be accountable for their jesting or sarcasm. What I'm saying is that if we are going to insult each other then let's deal with it in a manner that no one has a thumb-sucking contest over its results.
Another thing, what's the most popular age of the members of this forum?
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Personally I wouldn't mind being 30 again.
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09-30-2007, 09:17 AM
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Psalms 132:1
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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As Ross (Can't win, but I will run anyway) Perot said back in 1992 "NAFTA will create a giant sucking sound" as USA jobs go south to Mexico.
So will the passing of Resolution 4 cause "a giant sucking sound" as ministers that feel betrayed by the org. leave the UPC for other orgs. or the vast world of Good Independent Brethren. (GIBs).
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