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09-30-2007, 05:24 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
The amended version of the 2007 AOF allows for television advertising and ministry.
Is a minister who signs the AS, and then preaches against advertising or ministering on television, lying?
Brutally cruel irony.
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My question is how many of you would turn him in? 
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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09-30-2007, 05:44 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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BTW does the "by-laws" really say owning a TV is a sin? Do the by-laws state that the average UPC member can't be a member if they own a TV? Or is it just that a licensed minster can't be one if they own a TV?
Can someone quote the passage verbatim here?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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09-30-2007, 05:46 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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I think it is absurd to even talk about turning someone in over such asinine issues. We aren't even talking about a UPC preacher preaching the Trinity or against baptism in Jesus name. We are talking about advertisements via a medium....
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-30-2007, 06:31 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Originally Posted by ILG
Well that's pretty much the point. The people who cry about liars the loudest......well......they need to notice that about forgiveness at repentance and NO mention of remission at baptism not to mention the numerous other things in the list.
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The original fundamental doctrine statement did not include "for the remission of sins." That phrase was added in 1973.
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09-30-2007, 06:38 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Originally Posted by ILG
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Repentance:
Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained at repentance? Yes, indeed. That's what the articles of faith say!! Did you think it was at baptism they were remitted??
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Some believe and teach that forgiveness and remission are two separate things even though the same Greek word is used for both.
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09-30-2007, 08:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
The amended version of the 2007 AOF allows for television advertising and ministry.
Is a minister who signs the AS, and then preaches against advertising or ministering on television, lying?
Brutally cruel irony.
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LOL Interesting...
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09-30-2007, 08:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam
Some believe and teach that forgiveness and remission are two separate things even though the same Greek word is used for both.
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Right. Same greek word. It doesn't make any sense to teach two different things IMO. Even the articles of faith teach that forgiveness happens at repentance.
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09-30-2007, 08:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam
The original fundamental doctrine statement did not include "for the remission of sins." That phrase was added in 1973.
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Right. So if anyone wants to know what the original statement said, take out "for the remission of sins" and then you will have the original.
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09-30-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacerdotal
I don't see this as an affirmation statement coming 'full circle' as has been stated. I see this as an organization in trouble for not enforcing what was already in the bylaws. If the liars had been honest on their a.s. this wouldn't have been a problem for them. If the dishonest officials had enforced what they were elected to do this wouldn't be a problem for them.
There are liars on affirmation statements. There are cowards in board rooms. There is trouble in the camp. One leads to another and the result should be no surprise to anyone.
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I know first-hand of men who have marked through the TV line on the AS, signed it, and sent it in....nothing happened. These guys weren't lying...some have even written on there that they had a TV....nothing happened.
I'm just curious what you all think of THESE cases...who's at fault?
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09-30-2007, 09:03 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG
Right. So if anyone wants to know what the original statement said, take out "for the remission of sins" and then you will have the original.
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Also I believe, "and conversion" was dropped from the original wording.
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