The Fallout Continues

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by AGAPE

can anybody verify that TLC and 1st church are coming out???

I have heard this myself????

What about Stoneking

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by COOPER

What about Stoneking

I seriously doubt that will happen. I do distinctly remember some saying he was for the resolution...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I heard from another source that TLC and 1st Church are pulling out! It's almost like a frenzy right now!

Of course, my opinion is that it's for the best in the long run for the health of the UPCI!

Some call it a frenzy I call it ground where revivial can come forth...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I knew SC and heard him speak many times. I remember him making a similar gesture (he didn't have a Manual in hand though) and said something along the lines that as a Christian you would be judged out of this book (the Bible) and as a minister of the UPC you are expected to act as though you were to be judged out of the Manual.

He made it a real point to emphasize the importance of being a Christian first and answering that need for your soul. At no time did I ever hear him say anything along the lines that "the UPC would 'save' you." Like so many others, he seemed to feel that human organizations were a 'necessary evil' to enable us to get the more important things done.

Certainly at no time did I ever hear him put the UPC Minister's Manual on a par with sacred Scripture. If he were here to read those words, in fact, I think he would be both hurt and rather angry.

I confess I was NOT there however it was in PRINT and I never read a detraction or rebuttal?????

[Rhymis]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I confess I was NOT there however it was in PRINT and I never read a detraction or rebuttal?????

I think that was in Houston.

[Coonskinner]

Like I said last night...

Emmanuel: God with us.

The Manual: God help us.

[Rhymis]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Like I said last night...

Emmanuel: God with us.

The Manual: God help us.

Manual should only be associated with shovel. Not "shove us."

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I confess I was NOT there however it was in PRINT and I never read a detraction or rebuttal?????

This sounds like one of those things that may have had a kernal of truth then got twisted just a bit in the retelling until the story had SC equating the manual with the Bible.

We see that kind of thing happen all of the time and this story is an old one back from when there were very bitter feelings with the AMF folks and I think it is possible one of them heard this and ran with it.

The National Examiner also puts things in print (such as aliens visited President Clinton in the White House) but that doesnt make it so (as far as I know the Clinton White House never rebutted the National Examiner story).

[CC1]

Here is an example of how things can get twisted uninetnionally;

1. I reported that at the AMC meeting I attended the preacher preached that
he did not allow anyone in his church under the age of 18 to own a cell phone and that no one in his church has internet access except one man who has to for his job and then he only can access the three sites he has to for work.

2. I did not say this man preached that everybody must preach that same thing or they are going to hell. In fact this man made a point to tell the preachers at this meeting that how they handled these things was up to them (of course said with much ominous headshaking, etc).

3. Someone reading my point number one but not understanding my point number two could repeat what I posed with the twist that this preacher "preached people will go to hell if they are on the internet or have cell phones under the age of 18". They would not intentionally be "lying" but what they would be saying would not be accurate or true.

[Rhymis]

Originally Posted by CC1

This sounds like one of those things that may have had a kernal of truth then got twisted just a bit in the retelling until the story had SC equating the manual with the Bible.

We see that kind of thing happen all of the time and this story is an old one back from when there were very bitter feelings with the AMF folks and I think it is possible one of them heard this and ran with it.

The National Examiner also puts things in print (such as aliens visited President Clinton in the White House) but that doesnt make it so (as far as I know the Clinton White House never rebutted the National Examiner story).

And this sounds like yellow journalism.