And Coonskinner should be glad to have a spokesperson such as yourself. Brother, the original post asked a simple question, it has veered from answering this question to what I preach or don't preach from the pulpit.
Brother, look you are trying to imply that Elder CS, is trying to decieve his people? The Elder is not doing that at all and what he is doing is not discussing the Conference information over his pulpit. If someone was to ask about the voting issues he would share information to answer any questions.
This is what he has stated in numerous posts in this thread. There are two UPCI churches in this area who have people in their congregations who don't even know that the UPCI even has any rulings pro or con against television.
What do you do with that situation? "Oh, by the way, we now are allowed to view television." Pastors, elders, and ministers in the UPCI teach their people whatever is on their hearts to teach, and it has always been that way. I think trying to make an issue of this subject, is trying to close the stable door after your horse has left.
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As shown by other posts, you, the ministry, don't have to tell the people anything.
Have to tell what? What does anyone have to tell, or have not to tell? The Elder will preach and teach everything that he has always taught and he has never indoctrinated his people to be UPCI. They are taught to be Apostolic One God people, period. The Elder holds the card, and they are shouting and speaking in tongues lead by Jesus Christ, and never even caring about The Pentecostal Hearald, or even seeing a copy of the Forward.
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But if they hear "rumors" supporting an approved resolution, and the pastor doesn't inform his people, then, yes, I would say he's withholding something from them.
The Elder already made it known on this forum that he is not holding anything back and if asked he would present his answer. Seems pretty simple.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Brother, look you are trying to imply that Elder CS, is trying to decieve his people? The Elder is not doing that at all and what he is doing is not discussing the Conference information over his pulpit. If someone was to ask about the voting issues he would share information to answer any questions.
This is what he has stated in numerous posts in this thread. There are two UPCI churches in this area who have people in their congregations who don't even know that the UPCI even has any rulings pro or con against television.
What do you do with that situation? "Oh, by the way, we now are allowed to view television." Pastors, elders, and ministers in the UPCI teach their people whatever is on their hearts to teach, and it has always been that way. I think trying to make an issue of this subject, is trying to close the stable door after your horse has left.
Have to tell what? What does anyone have to tell, or have not to tell? The Elder will preach and teach everything that he has always taught and he has never indoctrinated his people to be UPCI. They are taught to be Apostolic One God people, period. The Elder holds the card, and they are shouting and speaking in tongues lead by Jesus Christ, and never even caring about The Pentecostal Hearald, or even seeing a copy of the Forward.
The Elder already made it known on this forum that he is not holding anything back and if asked he would present his answer. Seems pretty simple.
Brother, I'm not implying anything that CS is deceiving his people, so watch what you're saying! I simply responded to comments made by CS, which obviously touches a nerve, that he didn't have to tell his people anything about what goes on in the UPC. A post was placed on this thread quoting from the handbook that states the position of the UPC was if a pastor, which is licensed with the UPC, needs to have their church membership in the UPC!!! Hence, an affiliated UPC church!!! CS did not respond to this thread, but continued stating his church isn't UPC and he didn't have to tell them a thing! Brother, before you chastise me for simply wanting CS, or any UPC licensed minister with the UPC, to inform their people of what's happening in their "fellowship", look at ALL the posts and not just the ones you favor! Read all the posts and dear brother that includes you!
What do you do with that situation? "Oh, by the way, we now are allowed to view television." Pastors, elders, and ministers in the UPCI teach their people whatever is on their hearts to teach, and it has always been that way. I think trying to make an issue of this subject, is trying to close the stable door after your horse has left.
Again, brother, The official postion of the UPC, as per majority vote, is the use of television. To be the minority, as CS and possibly yourself, does not warrant keeping said information from your people. May I remind you that the original post on this thread was a question from a concerned forum member saying his DS did not send out a letter to his constinuency as DB did to his. His question was, should he have done so. Obviously, this DS voted against the resolution and now he won't say a thing! "Yeah, that's how we'll get back at all those liberals, we won't say a word to our people in our districts about how the vote went"!! That my opinion
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"Pastors, elders, and ministers in the UPCI teach their people whatever is on their hearts to teach, and it has always been that way."
So, to simply deny Resolution 4 will make it go away? I agree that whatever is on their heart to teach is correct, but to withhold information and not face it is damaging.
Brother, I'm not implying anything that CS is deceiving his people, so watch what you're saying!
Isn't that what you're implying? If that is not what your implying then explaining yourself will do just fine.
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I simply responded to comments made by CS, which obviously touches a nerve, that he didn't have to tell his people anything about what goes on in the UPC.
Look at your above quote, it looks as my comments hit a nerve with you also? So, please keep in mind that Elder CS, has proven himself as a good Brother, and now placing him in a position to defend his stance on a pastoral issue that concerns no one but his church family and himself may just hit a nerve. This does not make him less of a good minister. If it does hit a nerve then shouldn't we be sensitive to why the nerve is being struck?
Brother anapko81 if I did hit a nerve with you I apologize I would just like to understand the points that you were trying to make.
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A post was placed on this thread quoting from the handbook that states the position of the UPC was if a pastor, which is licensed with the UPC, needs to have their church membership in the UPC!!! Hence, an affiliated UPC church!!! CS did not respond to this thread, but continued stating his church isn't UPC and he didn't have to tell them a thing! Brother, before you chastise me for simply wanting CS, or any UPC licensed minister with the UPC, to inform their people of what's happening in their "fellowship", look at ALL the posts and not just the ones you favor! Read all the posts and dear brother that includes you!
There are many UPCI ministers who are over churches that are not affiliated with the organization. I still don't understand why we should judge how the Elder pastures his church family. Don't you believe that he knows his people better than we do?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Again, brother, The official postion of the UPC, as per majority vote, is the use of television. To be the minority, as CS and possibly yourself, does not warrant keeping said information from your people.
You're still not taking the consideration that the Elder knows his people and what they would or wouldn't care about. As an Evangelist I would not get behind a pulpit and present information that would be contrary to the ministry of the church I was visiting. To present contrary information would cause the main message of evangelism to be ultimately hindered. An Evangelist wants to follow the lead of the Holy Ghost and the pastor within the certain congregation. I said all that to say this, Elder CS, knows his church family and knows what they would care to know about. For us to sit on the sidelines and second-guess what should be the best thing for his church family would be (in my opinion) to be out of line. Again Elder CS, knows his people, I think it would be better to let his judgement lead.
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May I remind you that the original post on this thread was a question from a concerned forum member saying his DS did not send out a letter to his constinuency as DB did to his. His question was, should he have done so. Obviously, this DS voted against the resolution and now he won't say a thing! "Yeah, that's how we'll get back at all those liberals, we won't say a word to our people in our districts about how the vote went"!! That my opinion
Again I can not make judgements concerning other church families due to not being privy to the same information as the pastors have. Pastors who work with their congregations year in and year out have a clearer view of what's going on in their churches than you or I.
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"Pastors, elders, and ministers in the UPCI teach their people whatever is on their hearts to teach, and it has always been that way."
So, to simply deny Resolution 4 will make it go away? I agree that whatever is on their heart to teach is correct, but to withhold information and not face it is damaging.
I would just ask you to consider what I have already said, these men have people who they know better than a good friend, and wouldn't they also know what to present and what not to present?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
I dont really agree with that. my current pastor isnt going to leave the UPCI. I dont know where he stands no the TV issue. My former pastor and now Bishop of my church was just elected Executive Prebytor. Most of the people in my church wouldnt know Brother Haney from the post man. I think that is pretty common. I dont think it is just something that Cons are doing. I think it is just the way it is for Con, Mod and Lib churches.
Not to fuss... But really? From my travels and experiences I would say pretty much the opposite. Of course I've been out of the loop for about a decade - the entire time that KH has been GS. But I always felt that there was at least a general awareness on the part of UPC folks as to who the top elected officials were.
Not to pry too much, but you mention a pastor who is now a "Bishop" over a church. I'm just curious about how the title is conferred in different parts of the country. Did the pastor retire/semiretire or otherwise change his position?
Not to fuss... But really? From my travels and experiences I would say pretty much the opposite. Of course I've been out of the loop for about a decade - the entire time that KH has been GS. But I always felt that there was at least a general awareness on the part of UPC folks as to who the top elected officials were.
Not to pry too much, but you mention a pastor who is now a "Bishop" over a church. I'm just curious about how the title is conferred in different parts of the country. Did the pastor retire/semiretire or otherwise change his position?
it seems to be all the rage these days. He retired and we elected a new Sr. Pastor. However we created a structure that allows the "bishop" the ability to formally help the church in finding a new Sr. Pastor in case the current one leaves for any reason.
when I was a kid, my home church did kind of the same thing, only they called it Pastor Emeritus (sp). There is no day to day operational oversite just the roll in case of emergency.
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Oh, and yes. Not many people in our church know much about the UPCI except that there is one and we are in it.
my home church on the other hand knows who brother Haney is. but I doubt they could name anyone else. Most know that Jerry Jones in at WEC but dont have a clue what he does. They would know the DS, but I be less than half know who the seconal presbytor is. (good guy and a conservitive too).
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
But really? From my travels and experiences I would say pretty much the opposite. Of course I've been out of the loop for about a decade - the entire time that KH has been GS. But I always felt that there was at least a general awareness on the part of UPC folks as to who the top elected officials were.
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