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11-01-2007, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
I agree that we can make these statements but that does not divide God into 3 seperate person's.
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Right, so it does bring into question just what the two views pour into this word "persons".
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-01-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Right, so it does bring into question just what the two views pour into this word "persons".
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The doctrine of the Trinity had to evolve as it still does to this day.
Persons to the Trinitarian are three separate but co-existing beings who make a unified effort. When they say One it's not the literal numeral one.
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11-01-2007, 10:14 PM
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The Fact remains
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Not afraid of it.
Tired of it.
Go post Oneness doctrine on a trinitarian forum and see how long you maintain posting privileges. 
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Sir, You have totally misunderstood my first and other posts. I did not ask anyone to defend the Oneness doctrine. I KNOW ONENESS Doctrine! I have DAVID BARNARD'S BOOKS!!!!!!!!!! I know what he teaches and what Oneness doctrine is.
The question I asked is so very simple. It is very elementary. You should not attack me just because I ask a valid question! I honestly want to know the answer. Is that so wrong to want to know who started preaching that Trinitarians believe in three God's?
I know all about the fights and arguments and walk outs and persecution and churches taken from Godly people and the sacrifices made to preach the ONENESS message - we all know that.
The fact remains - At some point - after Trinitarians and Oneness preachers considered each other BROTHERS - somebody, somewhere started preaching that "The Trinitarians believe in Three God's".
We know it was after 1914 because they were all brothers in the A/G for the most part. Even in the PAW - they did not preach in the early years that the A/G and Trinitarians BELIEVED IN THREE GOD'S.
I KNOW that some of you really have convinced yourself that it is true and you have heard it over and over again - but WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
At some point - somebody preached it. Where did it start?
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11-01-2007, 10:14 PM
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So who's head turns when God the father turns his head? Just God the Father or the the Son and the HG as well?
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He whose countenance is like a jasper.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-01-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Not afraid of it.
Tired of it.
Go post Oneness doctrine on a trinitarian forum and see how long you maintain posting privileges.
We are under no obligation to endlessly defend Oneness doctine here. |
You are correct sir!
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11-01-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Brother I don't think Bernard, Seagraves, Dulle, French, would agree with you here - that belief in "three persons" in the Godhead equals tritheism. At the most you may say "it implies" or the language is difficult to rectify with the Trinitarian view of monotheism, but it goes over the line to say Trinitarians are Tritheists.
The definition of the Trinity defies this notion.
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If it's not tritheism because of careful wording to prevent that accusation being brought to bear on Trinitarians, then the three divine persons who are each self aware of themselves and each other compose a divine Being with multiple personality disorder.
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11-01-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
If it's not tritheism because of careful wording to prevent that accusation being brought to bear on Trinitarians, then the three divine persons who are each self aware of themselves and each other compose a divine Being with multiple personality disorder.
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Speaking of which..... Was there anything that Jesus, the Son of God, did not know while he was on earth, that the Father did in fact know?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-01-2007, 10:29 PM
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Rephrasing the questions
We are not debating the Trinity here. I do not believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity - never have - never will. You guys get so outta sorts and think somebody is threatening your doctrine when they ask you a valid question.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT TRINITARIANS BELIEVE! Could we please stop debating that??????????????????? We all know that Persons = Beings and Beings = God's and all that - As I said in the first post - We have all HEARD IT A MILLION TIMES!!!!!!!!!
This is not a debate about the Trinity VS Oneness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Allow me to rephrase the questions:
When did Oneness preachers start preaching that Trinitarians believe in Three God's?
Who preached this to start with?
Where was this first preached?
What year was this first told or preached?
Did this statement begin in the UPC or Independent Oneness ranks?
Where did you hear this for the first time?
How is that? Is that better? I have clarified this many times tonight and want to clarify it again. This is not about defining doctrine or a doctrinal debate - it is valid questions to know the source of this preaching.
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11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
Sir, You have totally misunderstood my first and other posts. I did not ask anyone to defend the Oneness doctrine. I KNOW ONENESS Doctrine! I have DAVID BARNARD'S BOOKS!!!!!!!!!! I know what he teaches and what Oneness doctrine is.
The question I asked is so very simple. It is very elementary. You should not attack me just because I ask a valid question! I honestly want to know the answer. Is that so wrong to want to know who started preaching that Trinitarians believe in three God's?
I know all about the fights and arguments and walk outs and persecution and churches taken from Godly people and the sacrifices made to preach the ONENESS message - we all know that.
The fact remains - At some point - after Trinitarians and Oneness preachers considered each other BROTHERS - somebody, somewhere started preaching that "The Trinitarians believe in Three God's".
We know it was after 1914 because they were all brothers in the A/G for the most part. Even in the PAW - they did not preach in the early years that the A/G and Trinitarians BELIEVED IN THREE GOD'S.
I KNOW that some of you really have convinced yourself that it is true and you have heard it over and over again - but WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
At some point - somebody preached it. Where did it start?
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Maybe it started when we started speaking in Tongues at Azuza??
Maybe it started when they voted to call Oneness Apostlics Heretical in Doctrine??
Who knows... but if one is looking to prescribe a false sense of guilt to bring about the answer one would like......maybe you'll find one...who knows???
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11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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