Do You Believe In Women Preachers? - Page 46

TK Burk · #**451** 11-04-2007, 06:26 AM

“It is not because the truth is too difficult to see that we make mistakes... we make mistakes because the easiest and most comfortable course for us is to seek insight where it accords with our emotions - especially selfish ones.” --Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. --The Apostle Paul (2Ti 2:15)

Barb · #**452** 11-04-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Transportation is found in the Bible. As far as sound travel, they preached out of boats and upon mountains due to the way the sound would carry when they preached.

The Roman seat (Jews had Moses' Seat) was a high platform that allowed the voice to carry over the crowd when speaking.

Please understand where I’m coming from, I mean no harm or offence.

I think some of you are taking what I've posted totally the wrong way. I mean no disrespect to the Alvears or any one else who believes in female preachers. I just posted scriptures and asked questions. If what I posted was so wrong then no one should get offended, they should just strengthen their arguments and present their case based on the scriptures.

If any have been insulted them I'm sorry, but if anyone would go back through this thread you would find that I was attacked repeatedly.

If someone has an argument please present it and we can discuss it, by using the scriptures we should be able to see whether a woman can teach married men and single adult men. I'm not saying a woman cannot witness, testify, show an example of godliness, and holiness. What I am saying is that a woman cannot teach married and unmarried adult men. No female leadership.

Spanish and French has masculine and feminine, and the English has neuter, but the Greek has all three. I meant no harm by what I posted to H1 concerning the Greek, and the two words for bishop Επισκοπή which means the "postion" of the bishop, "office" and Επισκοπος which is the Bishop "himself". The latter is masculine because it's a title ONLY for a MAN.

Anyone can easily research this information themselves.

Lord bless you all and again I mean no harm.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I mean no harm either, Elder, but do you have Scripture to support the bolded portion of your post?!

Evang.Benincasa · #**453** 11-04-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Barb

I mean no harm either, Elder, but do you have Scripture to support the bolded portion of your post?!

Yes.

In detail.

Evang.Benincasa · #**454** 11-04-2007, 08:18 AM

Sister Alvear · #**455** 11-04-2007, 08:42 AM

I pasted in another form part of the book I have used against Branhamites as they too have their ideals about women...someone would have to look it up as I do not have time. However it explains many things about this subject. I really think most of us have our minds made up and WE FEEL WE DO KNOW what the Bible teaches about this subject.

Barb · #**456** 11-04-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Elder, respectfully, here YOU go...

I read the first two links and stopped.

The first link is dealing with women who crossed a line...you really want to put the heavy-handedness of Jezebel in the same sentence with Sis. Freeman or Mangun?! Yikes!!

In the second link you first mentioned women submitting unto their own husbands...asking the men at home any questions they may have.

This is referring tho the fact that the women were running amuck due to the new order of things in services...where they were one time isolated from learning, they could now sit in service with the men.

Unlearned, they were asking questions in the middle of services, so Paul said to stop and ask your husband at home.

You then said that if someone asks a woman the name of her pastor, she should say her husband's last name...whoa!!

I stopped right there...no offense, but this is a bit much for me.

Respectfully, the Scriptures you cited prove nothing to me.

You believe that a woman can't teach a man...hmmmm...

You are saying that if you are driving the wrong way, and your wife says, "Hon, I think you should turn left, and she is RIGHT about it, she can't tell you because she's a woman?!"

If a woman has learned something in any area that a man does not yet know, she can't enlighten him because she is a woman?!

Yikes...sorry, I don't understand this or believe it.

Because of my respect for you, I will now bow out of this...have a good day, Elder.

Barb · #**457** 11-04-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I pasted in another form part of the book I have used against Branhamites as they too have their ideals about women...someone would have to look it up as I do not have time. However it explains many things about this subject. I really think most of us have our minds made up and WE FEEL WE DO KNOW what the Bible teaches about this subject.

You are exactly right, Mother A...that is why I am going to refrain from commenting here any further.

Sister Alvear · #**458** 11-04-2007, 08:53 AM

Evangelist B...You will never change so let's just be friends. I see the Bible in a different light. I am sorry we disagree and I would say Deborah;s name is not mentioned in Hebrews because of the culture.
I do see you know very little about Bible culture however keep winning souls and let the JUDGE the ONE who calls decide on Judgment day, Maybe we can stand side by side and if He puts me on the left side for taking his word at his bidding to thousands you can tell me there " I told you so"...but if I am rewarded I will only smile at you and say, "Let's look around heaven for my brazilian friends" I want youj to meet them for they will be there I am sure.

Barb · #**459** 11-04-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Evangelist B...You will never change so let's just be friends. I see the Bible in a different light. I am sorry we disagree and I would say Deborah;s name is not mentioned in Hebrews because of the culture.
I do see you know very little about Bible culture however keep winning souls and let the JUDGE the ONE who calls decide on Judgment day, Maybe we can stand side by side and if He puts me on the left side for taking his word at his bidding to thousands you can tell me there " I told you so"...but if I am rewarded I will only smile at you and say, "Let's look around heaven for my brazilian friends" I want youj to meet them for they will be there I am sure.

God bless your loving heart...

That is why I will not discuss this further, lest there be hard feelings when two people are as passionate about an opinion as Elder Beni and myself.

I wish you well, Elder...

Sister Alvear · #**460** 11-04-2007, 09:09 AM

Cultures are strange...One of the greatest problems we have in Brazil among americans that come is understanding their culture...
someday I would like to write a book about the Brazilian culture verses the American culture. One thing that bothers me is missionaries that want to americanize Brazilians...and believe me if the missionary gives them a salary most will dress and live just like the american tells him to do...and laugh at the american behind his back...POVERTY causes that...not convictions. In my area one family came over and asked me to give them long sleeves and a suitcase because another missionary offered them a salary...and yes I gave them what they asked for! Of course they have got to look like that for the salary NOT because it is in their hearts...

Well. something else you EB asked about the church God is Love...they call people out for hours telling them all their aches and pains...same thing every service, the ladies cannot shave their legs, they are trinity and hate Jesus name people. I have their long book of rules at my house,
The congergation of brazil...the ladies wear veils, they do not believe in string music, they do not believe in pastors or paying tithes, they drink and greet only their group...the Assembly of God is much like the American Assembly of God.

Yes, If I was younger I would take up up on the offer...I have been asked to come to Vermont and some of those states there are LOTS of Brazilians up that way but I am only one person...and I am not well so I must keep focused on Brazil the land of my calling...