Should they leave or stay?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

When one cannot agree with and obey what is being preached they need to leave. To stay there and be in rebellion is wrong.

So... in any given situation there is only one party who can be wrong? That being the saint?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

When one cannot agree with and obey what is being preached they need to leave. To stay there and be in rebellion is wrong.

and when they leave, what is the pastor to do?

Should he announce to the church why they left.

Demand that the church have no fellowship with them, no phoncalls, no letters.

Speak ill of the "reprobate backsliders" to everyone. (Even though it was a disagreement of not being able to put a shiny pen in your pocket" or some other stupid man contrived rule)


This is the way folks who left our church were treated. Even ones who left to pastor a work elsewhere.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

So... in any given situation there is only one party who can be wrong? That being the saint?

Never said that.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Good chance that the saints built and maintain the church.

It's the money contributed by the saints to pay salary's at that church.

Sounds like that Pastor might want to find another church to attend.

So those that hold the money control the pastor? That's pretty twisted. I don't think God is pleased with that perspective.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

So... in any given situation there is only one party who can be wrong? That being the saint?

Even if the pastor is wrong, it would be wrong for me to defy the leadership. Better to find somewhere else to attend, and make sure things are right between me and God, than to put myself in the dangerous position of trying to pull down or overthrow church leaders.

David's response to Saul in the cave is a prime example of what our attitude should be.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

So those that hold the money control the pastor? That's pretty twisted. I don't think God is pleased with that perspective.

You'd be surprised how often this happens. People here fail to tell of how preacher and their famiies have been done dirty by so called saints.

I could tell you horror stories about that,

Does that mean that most saints are terrible, horrible, controlling people . No

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that even if the pastor is wrong, that it would be wrong for me to defy the leadership. Better to find somewhere else to attend, and make sure things are right between me and God, than to put myself in the dangerous position of trying to pull down or overthrow church leaders.

David's response to Saul in the cave is a prime example of what our attitude should be.

I must amen this

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I must amen this

Goodness, I need to go back to bed and get up again. We've agreed twice this morning already.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

and when they leave, what is the pastor to do?

Should he announce to the church why they left.

Demand that the church have no fellowship with them, no phoncalls, no letters.

Speak ill of the "reprobate backsliders" to everyone. (Even though it was a disagreement of not being able to put a shiny pen in your pocket" or some other stupid man contrived rule)


This is the way folks who left our church were treated. Even ones who left to pastor a work elsewhere.

I remember a young leader in the church feeling a call to start a new church. The pastor told him it was NOT God's will! When he left to start the church anyways, the Pastor lambasted him and his wife from the pulpit!

Within 5 years, this young preacher had a church that was twice the attendance of the original church!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

So those that hold the money control the pastor? That's pretty twisted. I don't think God is pleased with that perspective.

Well I neve said that. But it's always the saints that need to leave.

I left a church I'd been a part of leadership for over twenty years. Going thru old tax records i was shiocked at my investment there. Tithes and offerings into 6 figures. i'd sold a house and donated to help get us into a new building.

Each week I worked many hours. I was involved in just about every department in some way.

But when it's time for someone to go....it's always the saint.

I am glad I left when I did 16 years ago.

That church today has been thru so much upheaval. In a building program that they don't need to be in with another new pastor.

I heard from some of my relatives there that the former pastors teaching of giving 20% tithe /offering has been resurrected and stongly suggested that all should do.

Nope, it always the saints...never the pastor, when church problems arise.

Today,I love my pastor we are fellow labors together in the work of God.