Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

So considering they might not have anything else to say isn't even an option?

ROFL!!! Renda, you gotta be kidding??? Have you read the exchanges that have occured on this thread? Do you honestly believe he stopped posting on this thread because he has nothing else to say? LOL!

No, I don't believe that.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

I already answered this:

Ahh....gotcha then.

So you don't believe women can be called preachers, but they can preach, right?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Again, you are evading the question. It's a simple 'yes' or 'no'.

Your apparent denial above makes it sound like you believe in women bishops. Is that true? Or do you believe only men can be bishops?

It's a simple answer. I'm not sure why you are taking such offense to answering.

WHAT!!???? You asked if I feel only married men can be elders. Now you are saying you asked me WHAT? Sister, you are quit an interesting poster.

I HOPE ALL IS SEEING THAT HO NEVER OFFERS SCRIPTURE, ONLY ACCUSATIONS AND TWIST AND TURN STATEMENTS.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

I thought I was. Seems you and I are talking a lot.

Well, I know I am! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

WHAT!!???? You asked if I feel only married men can be elders. Now you are saying you asked me WHAT? Sister, you are quit an interesting poster.

I HOPE ALL IS SEEING THAT HO NEVER OFFERS SCRIPTURE, ONLY ACCUSATIONS AND TWIST AND TURN STATEMENTS.

No, no no.....I asked if you believed only married men can be bishops, since the Bible says they MUST BE the husband of one wife.

To me, 'must be' means one thing...they MUST BE! Just like one MUST BE baptised to be saved, that doesn't mean 'able to be' or 'can be' or 'could be'.....it's a MUST!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Ahh....gotcha then.

So you don't believe women can be called preachers, but they can preach, right?

Sister, I know what you are doing. What I said is what I said.

Why not offer something that YOU said? And while you are at it, please offer us some Bible with your opinion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

WHAT!!???? You asked if I feel only married men can be elders. Now you are saying you asked me WHAT? Sister, you are quit an interesting poster.

I HOPE ALL IS SEEING THAT HO NEVER OFFERS SCRIPTURE, ONLY ACCUSATIONS AND TWIST AND TURN STATEMENTS.

Please, how can H1 offer scriptures her doctrine doesn't have scriptures.
Conjecture and speculation, but scripture? Sorry you won't be getting scripture or a strong argument from her camp. H1 is just showing her tonsils as she rails against the truth.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

The qualifications of an elder (one in the five-fold ministry) can only be defined through the Bible’s narrative. Both 1 Timothy 3:2-7 and Titus 1:6-9 list the criteria for apostolic conformity to this call (See 1 Timothy 3:2-7; Titus 1:6-9).

In both these writings we find Paul specifying that an elder must be the “husband of one wife.” These same writings also contain Paul’s guidelines for the behavior of an elder’s wife and children. Therefore, compliance with these would require one to be a male, which means the calling of an elder could only be fulfilled by men, and never by women. But beyond this clear textual evidence is the fact that nowhere in the Bible do we find women operating in the role of a New Covenant Church Elder. This fact alone should settle this apostolic principle.

I realize that the Bible says that there are neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28). But when one reads Galatians 3 in context, they find that Paul is speaking about all people - Jew and Greek, bond and free, male and female – who put on Christ, have equal access to God’s promise. This same theme is mentioned in many of Paul’s epistles (See Galatians 5:6; Romans 1:16, 2:9-10, 3:29-30, 4:11-12, 9:24, 10:12-15; 1Corinthians 7:19; 12:13; Ephesians 3:5-10; Colossians 3:11).

To make this lone passage in Galatians 3 the standard for biblical eldership, one would have to take its wording out of context and ignore numerous passages, which define a man and woman’s role in ministry differently than does Galatians 3:28. Such measures always lead to error and false doctrine.

A woman’s ‘ministry’ is to compliment her husband’s. A man’s ministry may not be the one shining forth in a relationship, but that does not mean the Lord does not desire such a situation to change. This, again, is why both the man and the woman need training from the elders.

Does God use women in the Church? Of course He does. But just as there is a proper headship in the home (See Ephesians 5:23-24; 1 Corinthians 11:3), there is also a proper headship in the Church (see Hebrews 13:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13; 1 Timothy 5:17).

The Bible describes matured women of approved character and piety, ministering to other women (See Titus 2:3-5).

A woman’s service is regarded as very important to the Kingdom of God. Paul mentions such labor in his epistle to the church at Philippi. “And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life” (Philippians 4:3). Other biblical examples where women served in the Kingdom of God include:
• The Shunamite women ministered to Elisha. (2 Kings 4)
• Martha served the Lord and His Disciples. (Luke 10:38-42; John 12:2, 26)
• Peter’s wife’s mother was healed and then ministered to Jesus. (Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:31)
• Certain women ministered to Jesus, including: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children. (Matthew 27:55-56)
• Joanna, the wife of Herod’s stewards, and Susanna and many others also ministered to Jesus. (Luke 8:1-3)
• Dorcas ministered to the needs of the poor. (Acts 9:36-40)
• Paul asked the Church at Rome to help Phebe in whatever she was doing. She was a servant at the Church at Cenchrea. (Romans 16:1-2)

These examples describe women serving in the Church, but nowhere do we find an example of a woman functioning in the five-fold ministry.

Forwarded for HO. THIS is what I have said all along. Notice that my opinions is based on Scripture. It would be great if you did the same.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

The qualifications of an elder (one in the five-fold ministry) can only be defined through the Bible’s narrative. Both 1 Timothy 3:2-7 and Titus 1:6-9 list the criteria for apostolic conformity to this call (See 1 Timothy 3:2-7; Titus 1:6-9).

In both these writings we find Paul specifying that an elder must be the “husband of one wife.” These same writings also contain Paul’s guidelines for the behavior of an elder’s wife and children. Therefore, compliance with these would require one to be a male, which means the calling of an elder could only be fulfilled by men, and never by women. But beyond this clear textual evidence is the fact that nowhere in the Bible do we find women operating in the role of a New Covenant Church Elder. This fact alone should settle this apostolic principle.

I realize that the Bible says that there are neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28). But when one reads Galatians 3 in context, they find that Paul is speaking about all people - Jew and Greek, bond and free, male and female – who put on Christ, have equal access to God’s promise. This same theme is mentioned in many of Paul’s epistles (See Galatians 5:6; Romans 1:16, 2:9-10, 3:29-30, 4:11-12, 9:24, 10:12-15; 1Corinthians 7:19; 12:13; Ephesians 3:5-10; Colossians 3:11).

To make this lone passage in Galatians 3 the standard for biblical eldership, one would have to take its wording out of context and ignore numerous passages, which define a man and woman’s role in ministry differently than does Galatians 3:28. Such measures always lead to error and false doctrine.

A woman’s ‘ministry’ is to compliment her husband’s. A man’s ministry may not be the one shining forth in a relationship, but that does not mean the Lord does not desire such a situation to change. This, again, is why both the man and the woman need training from the elders.

Does God use women in the Church? Of course He does. But just as there is a proper headship in the home (See Ephesians 5:23-24; 1 Corinthians 11:3), there is also a proper headship in the Church (see Hebrews 13:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13; 1 Timothy 5:17).

The Bible describes matured women of approved character and piety, ministering to other women (See Titus 2:3-5).

A woman’s service is regarded as very important to the Kingdom of God. Paul mentions such labor in his epistle to the church at Philippi. “And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life” (Philippians 4:3). Other biblical examples where women served in the Kingdom of God include:
• The Shunamite women ministered to Elisha. (2 Kings 4)
• Martha served the Lord and His Disciples. (Luke 10:38-42; John 12:2, 26)
• Peter’s wife’s mother was healed and then ministered to Jesus. (Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:31)
• Certain women ministered to Jesus, including: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children. (Matthew 27:55-56)
• Joanna, the wife of Herod’s stewards, and Susanna and many others also ministered to Jesus. (Luke 8:1-3)
• Dorcas ministered to the needs of the poor. (Acts 9:36-40)
• Paul asked the Church at Rome to help Phebe in whatever she was doing. She was a servant at the Church at Cenchrea. (Romans 16:1-2)

These examples describe women serving in the Church, but nowhere do we find an example of a woman functioning in the five-fold ministry.

Maybe H1 needs to have the font increased.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Sister, I know what you are doing. What I said is what I said.

Why not offer something that YOU said? And while you are at it, please offer us some Bible with your opinion.

It seems that you aren't sure what you believe, so I'm trying to get it straight, because I'm also confused as to what you believe.

You say that prophesying doesn't make one a prophet, therefore, I take it to mean that women can prophesy but cannot call themselves a prophet, is that correct?

On the same token, a woman should be able to preach (know what that definition is? Hint....it has nothing to do with a pulpit, platform, or a church building) without calling herself a preacher.

preach:

1. to be a herald, to officiate as a herald
1. to proclaim after the manner of a herald
2. always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
2. to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done
3. used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers


Now, tell me.....where does the Bible say that women are NOT do to the above?

Acts 8:3
As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

8:4
Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Tell me, who are 'they' referred to in verse 4? Men only? If that's what you believe, where is the supporting scripture for that claim?


prophesy:

to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict

1. to prophesy
2. with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God
3. to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
4. to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
1. under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
5. to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

See that bolded part? Isn't that what's done during preaching?