Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The only time in Scripture a woman went to battle it was becuse God could not find a man. Every other time it was a Man in the plan of God to lead Israel.

Where is the scripture that says "God could not find a man so he had to choose a woman"?

Deborah was married. Are you saying God couldn't have used her HUSBAND? Surely he was a Godly man and therefore qualified.

Also, imagine this...Deborah judged ALL Israel...including MEN, including her own HUSBAND.

Judges 4
1 And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, when Ehud was dead. 2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles. 3 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.

4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. 5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

It also seems you are forgetting some other WOMEN leaders...

Miriam is recorded in history as not only a prophetess but a leader of Israel along with Moses and Aaron.

Micah 6:4-5
4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Huldah is one of my favorites and one that is often conveniently ignored. The Word of God speaks for itself in regards to this woman of God.

2 Kings 22:11-20
11 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes. 12 And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying, 13 Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us. 14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her. 15 And she said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Tell the man that sent you to me, 16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read: 17 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched. 18 But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the LORD, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; 19 Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the LORD, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the LORD. 20 Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.

What was wrong with the priest and the scribe? Why couldn't they "enquire of the Lord" for the king, for the people and for all Judah?

Why did the KING have to send MEN to a WOMAN in order to hear from the Lord?

Once again, Huldah was MARRIED. Why didn't God use her HUSBAND, the keeper of the wardrobe? Surely he was qualified...

Bottom line...

GOD USES WHOSOEVER HE CHOOSES TO USE REGARDLESS OF GENDER.

This nonsense about "men not being available so God had no choice but to use a woman" is simply that...PURE NONSENSE.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

LadyRev, you do err so in the scriptures.

Do you really believe Paul’s command not to ‘touch a woman’ (See 1 Corinthians 7:1) is referring to laying hands on a woman in prayer? Jesus touched women. Was He sinning? Unreal.

Here is Thayer’s definition for “touch”:

G680 ἅπτομαι haptomai
1) to fasten one’s self to, adhere to, cling to
1a) to touch
1b) of carnal intercourse with a women or cohabitation
1c) of levitical practice of having no fellowship with heathen practices. Things not to be touched appear to be both women and certain kinds of food, so celibacy and abstinence of certain kinds of food and drink are recommended.
1d) to touch, assail anyone

And as far as Paul's singleness: since Paul said he cast a vote against the Christians (See Acts 26:10), and voting was exclusive privilege of the Sanhedrin, please, explain for all here how Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin while yet being single.

LadyRev, you are not helping your case with posts like this.

I believe you are quite confused.

You are not helping your case but rather are actually helping mine. Thanks!

You are the one that argued AGAINST the point that was made that some of Paul's words are his "personal opinion".

Are you now saying different?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Eph 5:22-24 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. (23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. (24) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

1 Pet 3:1-6 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (2) While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. (3) Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; (4) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. (5) For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: (6) Even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

When you obey the Word of God that is preached from the pulpit are you obeying the preacher or are you obeying GOD?

ANSWER THE QUESTION GENTLEMEN.

Boom did not so maybe Lost & Found will do so.

When you submit to the Word of God as preached from the pulpit or as declared in an office couseling session or as mentioned at the dinner table, etc. ARE YOU SUBMITTING TO THE PREACHER or ARE YOU SUBMITTING TO GOD???

ANSWER PLEASE.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Really?





Why don't you try these for LaduyRev?

Why did you not address my scriptures? I didn't ask you to address yours!!

It's obvious that if scripture seems to contradict itself, then someone is wrong.

For instance, if you read from scripture that women cannot preach (and scripture doesn't actually say that, but it's what you interpret it to be saying), yet there is scripture that plainly says women were preaching (such as it does in Acts 8, where men and women went everywhere preaching), then someone is wrong......and it's not the Bible.

So, can you address the fact that both men and women went everywhere preaching the Word and Priscilla is said to have expounded (taught) the Word of God with a man along with her husband??

None of your scriptures say that women cannot preach. You might interpret it that way, but I don't, therefore, there's nothing to address. Acts 8, on the other hand, is quite plain.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

What does this mean?

It is what it is.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

This saying has been around a long time and it sure is a stupid saying.

Every man and every woman has two heads or more. Thats why this saying is so stupid.

In the home there are TWO heads. The husband and wife are BOTH heads according to scripture. The husband is the head of the wife and the wife is the guide to the home. Look up the meaning for "guide" and you will see it is defined as HEAD. Children are to obey PARENTS - plural - both mom and dad, not just dad alone. Is the home a FREAK because it has two heads? I think not.

In regards to church leadership there are multiple heads (with the exception of the Jim Jones types). The pastor is not to be the only head and run the church as a dictator. Is the church a FREAK because it has multiple heads? I think not.

Thus saith LadyRev. No Bible at all. But because she said it, I guess we're supposed to believe that it is gospel.

LadyRev, please give us the sciptures you are reading that says any of this. The woman is the head of the house? Really? And there are several 'heads' of the Church? Wow.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

The bible is quite plain who elders are.

Elders are not always apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors or teachers.

Everyone that declares the word of the Lord is not necessarily an elder even if they are classified as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher.

LadyRev, you are too funny! To say, "it is quite PLAIN...." and then not list these scriptures is just too funny. I know you must be teasing all of us so, please, share your biblical study with us. )

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

I believe you are quite confused.

You are not helping your case but rather are actually helping mine. Thanks!

You are the one that argued AGAINST the point that was made that some of Paul's words are his "personal opinion".

Are you now saying different?

I had a feeling you wouldn't (or couldn't) answer that post. Study Sister, study....

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Why did you not address my scriptures? I didn't ask you to address yours!!

It's obvious that if scripture seems to contradict itself, then someone is wrong.

For instance, if you read from scripture that women cannot preach (and scripture doesn't actually say that, but it's what you interpret it to be saying), yet there is scripture that plainly says women were preaching (such as it does in Acts 8, where men and women went everywhere preaching), then someone is wrong......and it's not the Bible.

So, can you address the fact that both men and women went everywhere preaching the Word and Priscilla is said to have expounded (taught) the Word of God with a man along with her husband??

None of your scriptures say that women cannot preach. You might interpret it that way, but I don't, therefore, there's nothing to address. Acts 8, on the other hand, is quite plain.

Uhm...I did.

You still did not read my short study, did you?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

It is what it is.

Not necessarily. If you are referring to EB, he already showed where he did NOT say what is being said. Those who keep whipping that horse are not being honest about him. If that is not what you are speaking of, then you need to be plainer because your post sounds you’re pointing your finger in an accusing manner.

Why not add to the discussion instead of throwing a rock and running away.