Murder-Suicide...Does God Ever Excuse Certain Sins? - Page 6

HeavenlyOne · #51 03-07-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophilus

Exactly, and so shall we be accountable to them.

I'd be interested in reading your posts expounding on this.

SoCaliUPC · #52 03-07-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

And a lie is a lie, right?

Explain why Rahab was blessed for hiding spies then lying about it. That action made her part of the direct lineage of Jesus Christ, even though she was a harlot.

To equate lies to murder.....

I really think you need to look at the circumstance. Perhaps one of our good elders could give a quick Bible study on the event that you reference.

QueenEsther · #53 03-07-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

We can get over all kinds of ailments and illnesses, but only if God wills it. Sometimes, we have to live and deal with situations.

Right, but I think someone with the HG would not be capable of killing themselves. I think it would be contradicting.

HeavenlyOne · #54 03-07-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

To equate lies to murder.....

I really think you need to look at the circumstance. Perhaps one of our good elders could give a quick Bible study on the event that you reference.

Ahhh.....so with lies, we look at circumstance but not so with taking one's life?

And killing doesn't necessarily mean murder. The difference in dependent on intent. Don't think so? I hope you never have a pet put to sleep, cause you'd have to admit you had it murdered, thinking as you do.

HeavenlyOne · #55 03-07-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by QueenEsther

Right, but I think someone with the HG would not be capable of killing themselves. I think it would be contradicting.

I know people with the HG who also took their own life.

It's no more contradicting than a HG filled person lying, gossipping, coveting, or any other sin. We aren't sinless just because we have the HG.

ReformedDave · #56 03-07-2007, 02:37 PM

Haven't read the whole thread but for those who believe that suicide is unforgivable are you saying that Christ's sacrifice doesn't/can't apply?

HeavenlyOne · #57 03-07-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Haven't read the whole thread but for those who believe that suicide is unforgivable are you saying that Christ's sacrifice doesn't/can't apply?

You are right. The Bible mentions only one unforgiveable sin.

SoCaliUPC · #58 03-07-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Ahhh.....so with lies, we look at circumstance but not so with taking one's life?

And killing doesn't necessarily mean murder. The difference in dependent on intent. Don't think so? I hope you never have a pet put to sleep, cause you'd have to admit you had it murdered, thinking as you do.

I did not say that with lies you look at the circumstance. Now, do I feel that if someone dies in the midst of self-defense...I would look at that circumstance.

As for putting pets to sleep....pets are not people and people don't just put pets "down" for no reason at all. Come on. I know that some people put their pets up above their children...but pets are not people and that is another discussion for another time.

HeavenlyOne · #59 03-07-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I did not say that with lies you look at the circumstance. Now, do I feel that if someone dies in the midst of self-defense...I would look at that circumstance.

As for putting pets to sleep....pets are not people and people don't just put pets "down" for no reason at all. Come on. I know that some people put their pets up above their children...but pets are not people and that is another discussion for another time.

I wasn't comparing pets to people, I was comparing murder to the taking of a life. It's called 'principle'.

#60 03-08-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I've read the responses here and for the most part, I agree.

But if suicide at all is not excused by God, what about those who jumped out of the burning towers on 9-11-01? It's fact that they killed themselves rather than die a certain, horrible fiery or crushing death. However, it's also fact that death was imminent. Wouldn't God excuse people in that situation?

Be careful that your thoughts don't start leading you toward accepting that vile doctrine of devils known as moral relativity. These kinds of scenarios you present are of the kind that moral relativists use to argue against the absolute truth of scripture.

God does not excuse sin. If someone repents of one's sin, God does promise to forgive but God does not ever make it acceptable to sin.