Are the Godairs leaving?

[ILuvFPC]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan at his present time they are meeting in Branson having a meeting about Tulsa. I was just told the six have become seven. T. L. Craft is being added to the list. A brother on CAF just spoke to one of the sponsers moments ago.

Elder Epley with all due respect i must clarify.. The branson meeting which is being hosted by Bro Joel Holmes and Bro Larry Booker was planned well in advance of the upc general conference and includes many ministers and pastors not associated with the upc... so it is not a meeting about the results of the upc res 4 or the goings on to take place in tulsa.. not that this topic will not come up or be discussed at the branson meeting...

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by ILuvFPC

Elder Epley with all due respect i must clarify.. The branson meeting which is being hosted by Bro Joel Holmes and Bro Larry Booker was planned well in advance of the upc general conference and includes many ministers and pastors not associated with the upc... so it is not a meeting about the results of the upc res 4 or the goings on to take place in tulsa.. not that this topic will not come up or be discussed at the branson meeting...

Where is the, "duh" smiley, he heeeee!

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Where is the, "duh" smiley, he heeeee!

[RevBuddy]

ILuvFPC...

I've got to say that was a very weak clarification. Certainly, the subject of the Tulsa meeting is being discussed in Branson...and at length...

But there is a greater concern as I see it. We must revisit the integrity of men who can on one hand deny any negative intent and at the same time literally plan to do harm and damage to their organization...

How can men of integrity and strong character compromise their own principles, while at the same time, are taking opposing actions to do perhaps irreparable harm in a less than veiled threatening manner...?

Shouldn't men of integrity and uncompromising character behave in a ethical manner at all times...?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

ILuvFPC...

I've got to say that was a very weak clarification. Certainly, the subject of the Tulsa meeting is being discussed in Branson...and at length...

But there is a greater concern as I see it. We must revisit the integrity of men who can on one hand deny any negative intent and at the same time literally plan to do harm and damage to their organization...

How can men of integrity and strong character compromise their own principles, while at the same time, are taking opposing actions to do perhaps irreparable harm in a less than veiled threatening manner...?

Shouldn't men of integrity and uncompromising character behave in a ethical manner at all times...?

Awkward silence.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Shouldn't men of integrity and uncompromising character behave in a ethical manner at all times...?

It would seem so to me, but, maybe these are not men of integrity and uncompromising character.

Or, maybe they think terms like "integrity and uncompromising character" do not apply in politics and religion and the Tulsa meeting incorporates both politics and religion.

[Thinking]

Is it possible these men feel so strongly about the decline of the UPC, and feel sincerely that it no longer fits with their ideals, beliefs and stance, that in principle they must leave? Perhaps they do not wish to cause harm to the UPC itself. Isn't it true that they have no control over the fact that the mere loss of numbers will do harm to the organization?

Does their leaving and forming a group that is more closely aligned with their own beliefs indicate they are unprincipled? Does the fact that they would make this group known to others indicate a lack of morality, ethics or honor?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Do you have reason to believe PP is of the same stripe as the Tulsaites?

Eureka, lose the Mennonite seriousness!!!! They were joking. PeePee may not be thrilled with the UPC right now but for none of the reasons the Tulsaites are meeting.

[ILuvFPC]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

ILuvFPC...

I've got to say that was a very weak clarification. Certainly, the subject of the Tulsa meeting is being discussed in Branson...and at length...

But there is a greater concern as I see it. We must revisit the integrity of men who can on one hand deny any negative intent and at the same time literally plan to do harm and damage to their organization...

How can men of integrity and strong character compromise their own principles, while at the same time, are taking opposing actions to do perhaps irreparable harm in a less than veiled threatening manner...?

Shouldn't men of integrity and uncompromising character behave in a ethical manner at all times...?

i won't deny the fact that the tulsa meeting will probably be discussed... but that was not or is not the main focus of the meeting as the branson meeting was planned long before upc gc or the tulsa meeting was planned... as stated earlier it is not a upc meeting...

you people put a spin on everything...... one big conspiracy after another...

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by ILuvFPC

i won't deny the fact that the tulsa meeting will probably be discussed... but that was not or is not the main focus of the meeting as the branson meeting was planned long before upc gc or the tulsa meeting was planned... as stated earlier it is not a upc meeting...

you people put a spin on everything...... one big conspiracy after another...

you people????????????

Reread the thread amigo, the Elder DID NOT say it was the main focus of the meeting....but Tulsa WILL BE DISCUSSED. That's all he said....

let me rephrase what you said to "us people"

YOU, my friend, are the one putting a spin on what Elder Epley said.