Forgiveness prior to baptism - Page 2

Dedicated Mind · #11 12-24-2007, 12:43 PM

I agree that sins are forgiven at repentance, but that doesn't preclude the need for water baptism. W B is still essential to entering the new covenant and salvation.

ManOfWord · #12 12-24-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I agree that sins are forgiven at repentance, but that doesn't preclude the need for water baptism. W B is still essential to entering the new covenant and salvation.

So, are you saying that one can have their sins forgiven (pre-baptism) and at that point NOT be saved?

I too, believe that water baptism is essential. The question is: Essential for what? I believe, essential to obedience to the word of God.

Dedicated Mind · #13 12-24-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

So, are you saying that one can have their sins forgiven (pre-baptism) and at that point NOT be saved?

I too, believe that water baptism is essential. The question is: Essential for what? I believe, essential to obedience to the word of God.

I make a distinction between being "saved" and being "born again". A person might be saved if he dies after repenting, but is not born again until after baptism in water and spirit.

Brother Price · #14 12-24-2007, 03:09 PM

DM, so one can be saved, but not go to Heaven?

Dedicated Mind · #15 12-24-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

DM, so one can be saved, but not go to Heaven?

What do you mean by saved? If one is saved, one is going to heaven. One can be born again and lose his salvation.

berkeley · #16 12-24-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

What do you mean by saved? If one is saved, one is going to heaven. One can be born again and lose his salvation.

He interpreted your post as to say:

One can be saved, but go to hell for not being born again.

Adino · #17 12-24-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HangingOut

Very well put. Our Sunday School speaker taught on atonement yesterday and stated that even though he had been in pentecost his entire life he was just now getting an understanding of this. Interesting.

I've been in Oneness Pentecostalism since about 1968/69 and it has only been in the past few years that deeper insights concerning repentance and sin remission have come to light for me.

When it is realized that Luke 24:47 very likely refers to preaching "repentance FOR the remission of sins" in Jesus' name, this passage can be used to further define Acts 2:38 and the relation of sin remission to repentance taught in it.

This approach does not require "eis" to be non-purposive. While I think defining "eis" in Acts 2:38 as "with a view toward" (or something similar) is also a strong "non-purposive/ non-causal" position I see the non-purposive "because of" argument as rather weak. The approach I offered in my original post proposes a purposive/causal meaning to "eis" like those in traditional Oneness Pentecostalism would welcome, yet it points out that just because "eis" can be considered as causal it doesn't necessarily mean Acts 2:38 teaches baptismal sin remission.

That baptism becomes a parenthetical insertion not causing sin remission is huge.