Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by scotty

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Yet according to the rules we should not insult anothers beliefs.

It is my belief that from reading what you have written as some others here, there seems to be a great dearth of understanding, especially of the term "saved," Greek "sozo."

Now , in the spirit of debate I would say that since the Word is God and Jesus and His Father are one then Jesus is the Word. So I beleive if Peter says thats what it takes to be saved then I will probably believe it.

No one was insulted.

But, if you were to actually read your bible, Peter did not say that (Acts 2:38) is what it took to be saved. The question was "...what must we do?" The response was not an all inclusive answer to what must be done to reach heaven as you would so strongly suggest.

This is where so many are failing to see Jesus, ultimately obeying Acts 2:38 in its proper perspective rather than using it to divide christians who are earnestly seeking to make heaven their home.

Apostolic distinctives? Right on brother. We are a very proud people...the bride of Christ to be sure. tic. Actually, if we went where we deserve to go...it would not be heaven.

[rgcraig]

I believe there are two definitions of Bapticostal. It's according to which side of the fence you are on if it offends.

1. A Baptist that has received the Holy Ghost.
2. A Pentecostal that has given up standards.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe there are two definitions of Bapticostal. It's according to which side of the fence you are on if it offends.

1. A Baptist that has received the Holy Ghost.
2. A Pentecostal that has given up standards.

I've never heard it used that second way...in fact usually they use the term charismatic

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe there are two definitions of Bapticostal. It's according to which side of the fence you are on if it offends.

1. A Baptist that has received the Holy Ghost.
2. A Pentecostal that has given up standards.

Maybe there's a 3rd definition to consider.

My reference to it (and the previous one on this thread ,apparently) was more having to do with the salvation plan, rather than standards. When it comes to the plan of salvation, a PCI person on this board could find agreement with a self-described Bapticostal a lot quicker than they would with a so-called "3-step" Apostolic believer.

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I've heard a lot of Apostolics use the term "they went Charismatic", regarding those who left the standards. I've never heard anyone say "they went Bapticostal" .

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Maybe there's a 3rd definition to consider.

My reference to it (and the previous one on this thread ,apparently) was more having to do with the salvation plan, rather than standards. When it comes to the plan of salvation, a PCI person on this board could find agreement with a self-described Bapticostal a lot quicker than they would with a so-called "3-step" Apostolic believer.

True.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

No one was insulted.

But, if you were to actually read your bible, Peter did not say that (Acts 2:38) is what it took to be saved. The question was "...what must we do?" The response was not an all inclusive answer to what must be done to reach heaven as you would so strongly suggest.

This is where so many are failing to see Jesus, ultimately obeying Acts 2:38 in its proper perspective rather than using it to divide christians who are earnestly seeking to make heaven their home.

Apostolic distinctives? Right on brother. We are a very proud people...the bride of Christ to be sure. tic. Actually, if we went where we deserve to go...it would not be heaven.

Now see, why so derogatory?? Could you have made your post without that one line?? Or is it so hard to not speak with the sarcasm???

Any way , we have come back full circle in this discussion I am happy to say, and in the light of our understanding I do not beleive as you have said. In as much as I do not worship the words in Acts 2-38 but in as much as you have said, the meaning or "person" behind those words. Acts 2-38 is expressed in several places in the scripture all with the point being belief in Christ and the blood of redemption.

This is the problem with most, we simply misunderstand each other,

Still no need for the sarcasm or degrading attitude.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Maybe there's a 3rd definition to consider.

My reference to it (and the previous one on this thread ,apparently) was more having to do with the salvation plan, rather than standards. When it comes to the plan of salvation, a PCI person on this board could find agreement with a self-described Bapticostal a lot quicker than they would with a so-called "3-step" Apostolic believer.

Can't say I agree with this. We've had great fellowship with both.

We were part of the UPCI as pastors and missionaries for almost 25 years and again, for the most part worked in harmony and unity with the fellowship on a district level and in every other way with so called *3-steppers*. It was hardly ever an issue because WE didn't make it an issue. It was just always "the way things were".

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by scotty

Now see, why so derogatory?? Could you have made your post without that one line?? Or is it so hard to not speak with the sarcasm???

Any way , we have come back full circle in this discussion I am happy to say, and in the light of our understanding I do not beleive as you have said. In as much as I do not worship the words in Acts 2-38 but in as much as you have said, the meaning or "person" behind those words. Acts 2-38 is expressed in several places in the scripture all with the point being belief in Christ and the blood of redemption.

This is the problem with most, we simply misunderstand each other,

Still no need for the sarcasm or degrading attitude.

Sorry for the apparent sarcasm. It was unintentional.

Nevertheless, we have so much convoluted the idea of "saved," as to entirely cloudy the subject for all who would look into the plan of redemption by casting a stumbling block before earnest seekers.

Jesus spoke of such who stand in the door neither going in or out themselves yet preventing others who would go in. I see this happening in Apostolicism on a wide but massive scale.

If we were to truly understand word usage in regards to "saved," there would be little doubt that many have wept their way to the state of "saved" in millions of Baptist and Methodist altars over many years.

My mother was a staunch Apostolic since the 1930s but if you were to have told her that she was not saved at a Baptist altar, she would have been kind and gentle with you but would have considered you a kook...not at all any kind of Apostolic that she would have identified with. There, in deep contrition for her childhood sins, she wept her way to "salvation" to a KNOW-SO experience with God when her great burden of sin and condemnation was rolled away. She shouted all the way home from that little baptist church on the front fender, legs wrapped around the headlights of an old log truck while shouting the victory in Jesus.

Later an Apostolic Brush arbor meeting came into the community. There, she received the Holy Ghost. A few weeks later, she was baptized in a creek at what was called a "baptizing." It was administered in the name of Jesus.

By the definition of the word "sozo," she was indeed "saved." You would have lost all credibility to even attempt to make her believe she was not indeed "saved."

Not to be insulting, but there is an awful lot of ignorance among those who seem to worship ONE scripture and our OPINION of that one scripture rather than the Christ of that Scripture. As I said earlier, Acts 2:38 is neither the beginning nor the end of salvation.

[scotty]

Well brother I will be the first to tell you, my job is simply to get them to church or to open the Word and pray, far as Im concerned God will take it from there.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'm not out to blast and condemn people,but I do believe it's God will for all people to repent and be baptized in Jesus Name and become Spirit Filled and live a life pleasing to The Lord.