Is Acts 2:38 Really Supported by History? - Page 4

Cindy · #31 12-29-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Sis. Cneasttx,

My eldest brother lives in Mineola also. He and his wife have lived there

approx. 8 yrs. They attend church where Bro. IAin'tMovin's father pastored

until a short time ago when he retired. They have a new pastor from Okla.

there now.

Blessings,

Falla39

Yes ma'am I know them very well and one of your other brother's and his wife. Will be going to church tomorrow for the first time in a while. Been missing going to church. Both of your brother's and their wives are some of my favorite people. My youngest daughter was taught at school by your brother and SIL. Wonderful blessings to our family. And I really miss seeing your other brother and his wife, and of course hearing him sing.

Falla39 · #32 12-29-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

Yes ma'am I know them very well and one of your other brother's and his wife. Will be going to church tomorrow for the first time in a while. Been missing going to church. Both of your brother's and their wives are some of my favorite people. My youngest daughter was taught at school by your brother and SIL. Wonderful blessings to our family. And I really miss seeing your other brother and his wife, and of course hearing him sing.

Will you be going there! We are planning on visiting my brother and

SIL again soon and would love to meet you.

The "other brother" who sings is doing so great healthwise and other-

wise. He wasn't well for some time but God has definitely touched him.

Blessings,

Falla39

pelathais · #33 12-29-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I have two issues with the above. First, I'd like to examine the evidence myself. Second, such absolutism isn't wise. Many human reference materials have mistakes and errors, yet they also contain some very true facts. If your logic is taken to an extreme one could even question the idea of there being one God since it was in Arnold's book. No one would jump to such a conclusion...so I admonish we not do the same in relation to the rest of Arnold's work. Maybe some things will need to be revisited and updated with more accurate information. Such is the case with any work of reference literature.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So let's consider Arnold's inaccuracy. Does that mean that Arnold was wrong or that Acts 2:38 is wrong?

I think you have missed the point of the criticism of the book. I don't criticize because I reject his soteriology. Soteriology isn't really the premise of his book - it's not a book about "how to get saved."

Arnold himself declares his purpose as shown below. Note: I am using the PDF file available at http://www.threeq.com/pdf/apo.pdf. This has not been run through an OCR and it would be difficult to do so because of the markings that the original owner had added. The electronic versions of Arnold's writings that I have are of the self-published variety and are not as accessible as this version.

The Preface to Apostolic History Outline by Marvin M. Arnold:

He makes quite an assertion there. To "revisit" or "revise" his work would mean to revisit and revise his underlying premise. His work was never intended to be a chronicle of "what's out there" in the historical record. It was specifically targeted to prove his hypothesis, that the "UPPER ROOM CHURCH" ... was alive and doctrinally intact in every century until this moment."

My hypothesis is that we have no record of any group in the years from ~200 A.D. until the events surrounding the Arroyo Seco camp meeting in 1913, which practiced the "whole package" of Acts 2:38 salvation as practiced by the Oneness Pentecostal movement today.

For sake of breivity that "whole package" does not include the various holiness issues that have been taught - just the soteriology of repentence, baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues.

Cindy · #34 12-29-2007, 10:51 AM

Yes ma'am I will, and I knew he had been very ill but of course God is a good and had heard he is doing well. I think I met you once when you visited.

Sister Alvear · #35 12-29-2007, 11:42 AM

I haven´t read all these items but I do believe God has always had a people...I don´t know if it is the ones in that book but He has always had a people and always will have a people.

Is it that someone disagrees that there has always been a ACTS 2:38 people?

LordChocolate · #36 12-29-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I haven´t read all these items but I do believe God has always had a people...I don´t know if it is the ones in that book but He has always had a people and always will have a people.

Is it that someone disagrees that there has always been a ACTS 2:38 people?

Sister Alvear: It does not surprise what some of the people here believe.

crakjak · #37 12-29-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I haven´t read all these items but I do believe God has always had a people...I don´t know if it is the ones in that book but He has always had a people and always will have a people.

Is it that someone disagrees that there has always been a ACTS 2:38 people?

Yes, He has always had people whose hearts were toward to Him and seeking truth, good and light. Were they always "Acts 2:38 people"? Who says they had to have been? God is God and He will talk to and relate to who He chooses, after all, "...the earth is the Lord's and ALL that is in it."

So I agree with you, Sister.

Truth is truth wherever it is found, even if it is only a piece of truth it is still truth, good is good wherever it is found, and both are of God and can only come from God.

Barb · #38 12-29-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The Preface to Apostolic History Outline by Marvin M. Arnold:

Pela, I have been saying for the longest that I believe what Bro. A wrote above.

The rest of the book may have inaccuracies...don't know and am taking y'all's word for it. You and Adino have first hand knowledge and are brighter than I re this.

However, I am convinced without in my hand evidence that the Acts 2:38 message was preached through every age.

I cannot invision it ever dying out...what birthed it has kept it.

Falla39 · #39 12-29-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

Yes ma'am I will, and I knew he had been very ill but of course God is a good and had heard he is doing well. I think I met you once when you visited.

Sis. Cneasttx,

That is good! I have been praying for your recent prayer requests and

will continue to do so. God is faithful and sees our every care. God bless

you and your family, in Jesus Name!

Falla39

pelathais · #40 12-29-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I haven´t read all these items but I do believe God has always had a people...I don´t know if it is the ones in that book but He has always had a people and always will have a people.

Is it that someone disagrees that there has always been a ACTS 2:38 people?

No, it's just that we have no record of it. For someone to believe that such beliefs and practices have always existed is one thing, to say "I can PROVE IT!" is another. Our attempts to prove it have failed in embarassing fashion over the years.

Far better to say, "Here's the Bible, and here I am Oh Lord..." We have a Bible message, not so much an historical one. For though history is interesting, in the end we really are claiming that salvation is through the Jesus Christ revealed in the Bible.

Remember, His truth endures to all generations (Psalm 100:5). But we are a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away (James 4:14).