Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

What do the "1 steppers" say about this?

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Try that same verse in The Amplified, and you will see the meaning of baptism:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. {1 Peter 3:21}

Baptism is a sign of covenant. It is a testimony of who and whose you are. It is a sign of what has already happened, and what you believe to be your's through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Try that same verse in The Amplified, and you will see the meaning of baptism:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. {1 Peter 3:21}

Baptism is a sign of covenant. It is a testimony of who and whose you are. It is a sign of what has already happened, and what you believe to be your's through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

The Amplified is NOT a translation. Those words in brackets are added to the text according to the author's (of the AMP) own theological view. He may be right, but quoting the AMP rarely proves someone right because it is a more accurate translation over others.

[Brother Price]

You are right. The Amplified is not a translation. It does bring clarity to scripture, though. And, since I do not hold the KJV as the only viable translation, this will do.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

If you are afraid in your message to bring a sinner to the need to repent at the foot of the Cross.

And you preach Acts 2:38 without the power of the Cross.

If you think the Power unto Salvation is in a mystical breath of uttering the words of Acts 2:38 you fail the Cross of Calvary.

Read verse 21 of Acts chapter 2.

Follow the entire chapter 2 of Acts it gives the blueprint for bringing a non beliver to the fullness of Salvation.

You do not start at Acts 2:38 and work backwards..

It is at the end of the salvation passage.

It ends with this promise is unto you and.....

Until I hear PP or anyone else talking about Acts 2:38 as a message of strict Obedience.

With not wanting to talk about the Grace of God or explaining clearly to me when it is applied in salvation.

I have to wonder....

I guess I am totally confused as to exactly what the argument here is. I quoted off of you Bro. Neck because I enjoy reading your post, they are obviously written from the Spirit.

I see alot of things from the "one-steppers" and from the "three-steppers" that all make sense and are scripture. Maybe there is something I am missing here but seems like everyone is saying the same thing yet arguing over a couple of split hairs.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

I guess I am totally confused as to exactly what the argument here is. I quoted off of you Bro. Neck because I enjoy reading your post, they are obviously written from the Spirit.

I see alot of things from the "one-steppers" and from the "three-steppers" that all make sense and are scripture. Maybe there is something I am missing here but seems like everyone is saying the same thing yet arguing over a couple of split hairs.

We do this quite often, lol......both on the forum, and in real life. That's why I love this forum, we can discuss things freely and in great detail, and everyone can have time to digest what they're reading before they reply.

Also, the lurkers can get great benefit from such discussions.........

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here is my contribution to the ongoing attempt to "convert" all of us to the Universal Salvation doctrine.

Blah, blah, blah.

Buyer beware.

I've been following this thread from the start - and maybe I missed it, but NO ONE has even mentioned "the Universal Salvation doctrine" until you did just now.

And certainly no one has tried to "convert" anyone to it.

My position is that the "3 Stepper" way is accurate, but incomplete. It ignores the vital aspect of the work of grace that happens (or should happen) simultaneously with our "obedience."

In order to try and hammer down our "3 Stepper" dogma we have traditionally ignored grace to the point that many people question whether or not our Gospel even includes the cross! We respond to those question by skulking about and throwing away a good deal of our literature that would have answered our critics' charges.

Why not bring the cross back in, get back to our roots and invite others to share a blessing!

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Try that same verse in The Amplified, and you will see the meaning of baptism:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. {1 Peter 3:21}

Baptism is a sign of covenant. It is a testimony of who and whose you are. It is a sign of what has already happened, and what you believe to be your's through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.

There is more to living for God than obeying Acts 2:38 but that is still the ONLY way to get saved. Once you are saved there are "works of righteousness" that you will automatically become part of your life as you mature, but that is not what saves you. You are saved because you repented of your sin, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. That is what the Bible says. The Word also said, "Let God be true and EVERY MAN a....." You know what it is. If you are not preaching full obedience to Acts 2:38 then guess what the Word of God has a word to describe you.

I may upset some admin with my post but I have had enough of this junk that has been let slip into AFF. Is this an apostolic forum or not? I love truth and will stand for it until the day I die. I don't care what it cost me.

[KwaiQ]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.

There is more to living for God than obeying Acts 2:38 but that is still the ONLY way to get saved. Once you are saved there are "works of righteousness" that you will automatically become part of your life as you mature, but that is not what saves you. You are saved because you repented of your sin, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. That is what the Bible says. The Word also said, "Let God be true and EVERY MAN a....." You know what it is. If you are not preaching full obedience to Acts 2:38 then guess what the Word of God has a word to describe you.

I may upset some admin with my post but I have had enough of this junk that has been let slip into AFF. Is this an apostolic forum or not? I love truth and will stand for it until the day I die. I don't care what it cost me.

Amen Brother Miller... good to see you BTW...

Ryan G.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by KwaiQ

Amen Brother Miller... good to see you BTW...

Ryan G.

Hey man it is good to see you. Where ya been hidding?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.
...

The might be said of you, Joseph. 1 Peter 3:21, not says "baptism saves you" but it tells us how baptism saves us. Brother Price actually did an excellent job pointing that out.

"... not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ ..." NIV

What Peter is emphasizing here is that you are saved by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. To ignore that is to once again remove the cross from Christianity.

Peter rather emphatically rebukes your insistence on emphasizing the physical aspect of going through the waters of baptism with his statement, "not the removal of dirt from the body..."

Without the work that Jesus Christ has already done for you, and your faith expressed in that work, baptism is just a bath. That's what the Apostles preached.

I don't think you truly intended to take the cross out, but by hammering away at the "3 Stepper" possition without ever allowing for the "One Stepper" point of view, you end up leaving the cross out of the Gospel. We need the truth in balance.