Tulsa Report Day One

[Ron]

Originally Posted by The Dean

One could only hope, my friend. At some juncture I would hope the Apostolic movement as a whole would focus on the field instead of on internal fractures.

Amen Brother, Amen!

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I hope not. That will instantly at least double the Tulsa crowd if the UPC does it.

Someone said, and I believe it, that while this issue may not be enough for some to 'break away' from the UPC over a large percentage of them agree with the concerns the Tulsa group have. If the UPC makes them look 'persecuted' for holding on to an issue of separation it will cause many to move Tulsa way.

There are many in UPC that feel if they are allowed to keep their credentials with UPC, they as a group within a body, will control votes and push their agenda on every issue... If that happens, the exodus will happen on the other side... All of the possibilities are not pretty, but there are there none-the-less...

[StMark]

Originally Posted by The Dean

What gave you any indication that I'm not serious?

Some things I don't joke about. God speaking to me is one of them.

I don't pretent to understand why. I do, however, obey what I'm told by the Almighty.

well okay then - I did think you was kidding me
obey God!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

There are many in UPC that feel if they are allowed to keep their credentials with UPC, they as a group within a body, will control votes and push their agenda on every issue... If that happens, the exodus will happen on the other side... All of the possibilities are not pretty, but there are there none-the-less...

there is a group urging Bro Haney to do something in this regard

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

There are many in UPC that feel if they are allowed to keep their credentials with UPC, they as a group within a body, will control votes and push their agenda on every issue... If that happens, the exodus will happen on the other side... All of the possibilities are not pretty, but there are there none-the-less...

NEVER gonna happen. I do think that enough of the conservatives will pull out that there will never again be a close 50%/50% balance like there has been for the last several years.

You can be guarenteed that the organization will become decidedly more slanted towards moderate to liberal in their decisions.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by The Dean

NEVER gonna happen. I do think that enough of the conservatives will pull out that there will never again be a close 50%/50% balance like there has been for the last several years.

You can be guarenteed that the organization will become decidedly more slanted towards moderate to liberal in their decisions.

I agree if they pull out, but if they try to hold on to both and are allowed, the possibility remains..

[StMark]

* * * THIS FROM A PASTOR"S WIFE * * *


Wilson's main points were:
a. who created the situation (not to focus on that)
b. where do we go from here (let's focus on that)

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I agree if they pull out, but if they try to hold on to both and are allowed, the possibility remains..

The 500 to 700 who I think will pull out will be MORE than enough to imbalance that pretty even divide at every conference. And, additionally, those new ministers coming in - for the most part - are not going to be the more conservative minded people. Those may just start out with Tulsa since it more aligns to their beliefs.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by The Dean

The 500 to 700 who I think will pull out will be MORE than enough to imbalance that pretty even divide at every conference. And, additionally, those new ministers coming in - for the most part - are not going to be the more conservative minded people. Those may just start out with Tulsa since it more aligns to their beliefs.

I agree if that many pull out... However, I believe that only about half of that number that you say will pull out even go to conference and vote.. I believe a lot of the ones there are from smaller churches that don't get to go to conference too much... I could be wrong... If I am it will be the first time today... since it is just 19 minutes into the new day, I might be wrong a lot more before this time tomorrow..

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by StMark

there is a group urging Bro Haney to do something in this regard

NO! Say it ain't so! Not from the unifiers and reconcilers. Divide the body???



He says tic.