Terrible News and the Importance of Accountability - Page 2

MissBrattified · #11 01-31-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I hate to say it but the sinfulness of men and depth of sin will always gauge forgiveness and acceptance back when it comes to us....

Certainly God forgives....but depravity of sin will always stain the Man or woman....especially in the Ministry....the amount of Trust placed than replaced by distrust and disgust will always have the tentacles of not forgiving for years to come...

I do think that ministers will face natural consequences to their ministries...sure. That's understandable. However, if they could have someone to talk to or be accountable to before it reaches past the point of festering and becomes an open wound, well...that would be a much better ideal.

The distrust, disgust and lack of forgiveness are stains on the church.

You know as well as I do, revrandy, that some things are just completely taboo, and if you even have a thought in one of those directions, you'd better hide it with all your might, whether you act on it or not. Is that how the church should function?

Another problem is a cultural dichotomy. We live in this over sexualized, over-stimulated, desensitized society with easy access to all sorts of immorality and crime. On the flip side, there is a strangely shocked outcry when any member of Christendom falls victim to what is freely, regularly and blatantly offered. The church culture has picked up on this secular trend and has expanded on it. We pretend these things don't exist, we don't address them, and then we are surprised when anyone partakes or stumbles or struggles.

PastorD · #12 01-31-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I do think that ministers will face natural consequences to their ministries...sure. That's understandable. However, if they could have someone to talk to or be accountable to before it reaches past the point of festering and becomes an open wound, well...that would be a much better ideal.

The distrust, disgust and lack of forgiveness are stains on the church.

You know as well as I do, revrandy, that some things are just completely taboo, and if you even have a thought in one of those directions, you'd better hide it with all your might, whether you act on it or not. Is that how the church should function?

Another problem is a cultural dichotomy. We live in this over sexualized, over-stimulated, desensitized society with easy access to all sorts of immorality and crime. On the flip side, there is a strangely shocked outcry when any member of Christendom falls victim to what is freely, regularly and blatantly offered. The church culture has picked up on this secular trend and has expanded on it. We pretend these things don't exist, we don't address them, and then we are surprised when anyone partakes or stumbles or struggles.

MissBratt.....this is true.

Esther · #13 01-31-2008, 08:05 AM

I know if you go to a Licensed counselor and they talk they can lose their licenses.

MissBrattified · #14 01-31-2008, 08:11 AM

revrandy, I'm not meaning to imply that sin within the ministry can't or shouldn't be dealt with. I'm just lamenting the fact that we don't have a better safety net in place to keep at least some ministers from ever getting to that point in the first place.

revrandy · #15 01-31-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I do think that ministers will face natural consequences to their ministries...sure. That's understandable. However, if they could have someone to talk to or be accountable to before it reaches past the point of festering and becomes an open wound, well...that would be a much better ideal.

The distrust, disgust and lack of forgiveness are stains on the church.

You know as well as I do, revrandy, that some things are just completely taboo, and if you even have a thought in one of those directions, you'd better hide it with all your might, whether you act on it or not. Is that how the church should function?

Another problem is a cultural dichotomy. We live in this over sexualized, over-stimulated, desensitized society with easy access to all sorts of immorality and crime. On the flip side, there is a strangely shocked outcry when any member of Christendom falls victim to what is freely, regularly and blatantly offered. The church culture has picked up on this secular trend and has expanded on it. We pretend these things don't exist, we don't address them, and then we are surprised when anyone partakes or stumbles or struggles.

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Originally Posted by PastorD

MissBratt.....this is true.

This is happening now....but you can't sweep this stuff under the rug....

It will eventually come out...but if you can't be truthful up front how can you expect the truth to ever come out.....I think they need to be truthful now and open so that there is no mistaking what was done or what happened...

but that is just my opinion....sin is not rocket science and simple, stupid human sins we all deal with are easier for us to be forgiving but when the sin is compounded to the extreme of sickness than it becomes hard....and is very damaging to the whole vs. just a few....

It definately does need to be dealt with...

Pressing-On · #16 01-31-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

revrandy, I'm not meaning to imply that sin within the ministry can't or shouldn't be dealt with. I'm just lamenting the fact that we don't have a better safety net in place to keep at least some ministers from ever getting to that point in the first place.

I'm not even sure a safety net would work. When I was younger it was a shocking thing to know someone had a Playboy magazine. They didn't sell them in the convenience stores. Now you have cable and pay per view, etc.

DividedThigh · #17 01-31-2008, 08:20 AM

hey bro, that is sad that someone is hurt by this, there are two parts to this problem, those that arent accountable and then believe they are beyond reproach when they fall, and then those that hurt others and justify there behavior, the fact is we are all human and frail, we all need god, and forgiveness. The natural consequences in life of sin are not removed by his grace, but our hearts are cleaned and rejuvenated by his grace and love, god bless you bro, prayin for you and the hurting, dt

revrandy · #18 01-31-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

hey bro, that is sad that someone is hurt by this, there are two parts to this problem, those that arent accountable and then believe they are beyond reproach when they fall, and then those that hurt others and justify there behavior, the fact is we are all human and frail, we all need god, and forgiveness. The natural consequences in life of sin are not removed by his grace, but our hearts are cleaned and rejuvenated by his grace and love, god bless you bro, prayin for you and the hurting, dt

Brother...I am disappointed in this but not hurt by it....don't misunderstand me...In speaking with some friends who were hurt by the situation I was amazed to think of the far reaching consequences of the actions of just one person....

The only way I am personally affected is that it was a Minister/Pastor by vocation....

I do pray for the family and those involved....

and I agree with you completely NEW BLOOD coming in is definately essential in cleansing our hearts...and overcoming...

rgcraig · #19 01-31-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I do think that ministers will face natural consequences to their ministries...sure. That's understandable. However, if they could have someone to talk to or be accountable to before it reaches past the point of festering and becomes an open wound, well...that would be a much better ideal.

The distrust, disgust and lack of forgiveness are stains on the church.

You know as well as I do, revrandy, that some things are just completely taboo, and if you even have a thought in one of those directions, you'd better hide it with all your might, whether you act on it or not. Is that how the church should function?

Another problem is a cultural dichotomy. We live in this over sexualized, over-stimulated, desensitized society with easy access to all sorts of immorality and crime. On the flip side, there is a strangely shocked outcry when any member of Christendom falls victim to what is freely, regularly and blatantly offered. The church culture has picked up on this secular trend and has expanded on it. We pretend these things don't exist, we don't address them, and then we are surprised when anyone partakes or stumbles or struggles.

MissB your post are right on! Enjoying the discussion and a well needed one at that!

RevRan, I feel your hurt.

Ron · #20 01-31-2008, 08:43 AM

I believe in accountability & am surprised when it was brought up on the old NFCF a large part of the people there.
I was shocked!

We need accountability. I was recently talking with another 2 ministers & we all said to one another that if you saw something, or could tell that there was a bad spirit/attitude,
creeping in, to check one another in love to keep us from going offtrack.

Accountability-I believe in it 110% & am shocked when others don't.

Sorry for the situation you are facing with anoither person RevRandy.