Sickness because of sin.

[Joelel]

Sin is directly connected to sickness many times.I think people have sickness in their life for trials, like Job and some have sickness to keep them from sinning as Paul did with the thorn in his flesh at first but I think sickness for these reasons, people are healed from. Then people who are sick because of sin in their life, they will be healed if they repent and stay repented.
James 5:13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

[Michael The Disciple]

Seems pretty sound.

[MissBrattified]

I know too many wonderful saints of God who have spent good amounts of time on a sickbed, and it had nothing to do with sin in their lives. Secondly, what about sick children? Are they ill because of sin?

Everyone dies and everyone suffers from sickness at some point in their life. It's part of the bane of humanity. Thank Adam and Eve for messing things up for us!

The day your baby is sick will be the day you know it isn't because of sin. It's just because. Christianity doesn't protect us from hardship. It doesn't protect us from illness. It just allows us to lean on Someone when we are weak or troubled.

The scripture you provided doesn't say that a man's sins are forgiven and then he is healed. It says that the "Lord shall raise him up; AND if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven...."

Where I will concede a small point is on the context of verse 16--I believe that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man is worth a lot--and that of an unrighteous man may not carry as much weight--therefore when a righteous man asks for healing, perhaps God is more likely to give to him than the unrighteous man. But then, I know that it rains on the just and the unjust...right?

I do also believe that there are natural consequences of sinful or imprudent living that affect ones health--when we treat our bodies badly with substances or a poor lifestyle, then we may be sick later in life. My father was a heavy smoker and drinker (and occasional drug user) before he was saved at age 39, and he still suffered the effects of those things later in life, even though he served God.

If a woman chooses to prostitute herself, and catches a disease, and then is converted...will she necessarily be healed of her disease? Maybe, maybe not. Some consequences do not go away just because God saves our soul.

But I'm not sure that God punishes sinners with illness. If that is the case, why aren't all the Christians thriving, and all the sinners dying young? Why are so many Christians sick and so many sinners healthy?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I know too many wonderful saints of God who have spent good amounts of time on a sickbed, and it had nothing to do with sin in their lives. Secondly, what about sick children? Are they ill because of sin?

Everyone dies and everyone suffers from sickness at some point in their life. It's part of the bane of humanity. Thank Adam and Eve for messing things up for us!

The day your baby is sick will be the day you know it isn't because of sin. It's just because. Christianity doesn't protect us from hardship. It doesn't protect us from illness. It just allows us to lean on Someone when we are weak or troubled.

The scripture you provided doesn't say that a man's sins are forgiven and then he is healed. It says that the "Lord shall raise him up; AND if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven...."

Where I will concede a small point is on the context of verse 16--I believe that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man is worth a lot--and that of an unrighteous man may not carry as much weight--therefore when a righteous man asks for healing, perhaps God is more likely to give to him than the unrighteous man. But then, I know that it rains on the just and the unjust...right?

I do also believe that there are natural consequences of sinful or imprudent living that affect ones health--when we treat our bodies badly with substances or a poor lifestyle, then we may be sick later in life. My father was a heavy smoker and drinker (and occasional drug user) before he was saved at age 39, and he still suffered the effects of those things later in life, even though he served God.

If a woman chooses to prostitute herself, and catches a disease, and then is converted...will she necessarily be healed of her disease? Maybe, maybe not. Some consequences do not go away just because God saves our soul.

But I'm not sure that God punishes sinners with illness. If that is the case, why aren't all the Christians thriving, and all the sinners dying young? Why are so many Christians sick and so many sinners healthy?

Please note what I said to start with.Sin is directly connected to sickness many times.I think people have sickness in their life for trials, like Job and some have sickness to keep them from sinning as Paul did with the thorn in his flesh at first but I think sickness for these reasons, people are healed from. Then people who are sick because of sin in their life, they will be healed if they repent and stay repented.

Next,I'm 61 yrs. old and My three children never had any sickness much more then colds unill they got out of the church.Sence I got saved I never got sick other then colds untill I fell in sin and a couple of trials.When I get sick God shows me why I'm sick.Let me tell ya,If i'm sick because of sin,I stayed sick till I repented.

[Bro-Larry]

Death and sickness entered the world thru sin. Sin brought a curse upon the Earth. Sickness will present itself to all of us. It's up to us to use the Spirit and the Word of God to defend ourselves and our families from it. God has no sickness to send to anyone. If God were to deal in sickness, His kingdon would be divided and it would not stand.

[gloryseeker]

In my opinion, based upon what I read in the Word I couldn't disagree more with the majority of the posts here.

First of all would we preach that sin will come into all of our lives after salvation or do we preach the blood of Jesus? Well, the same blood that washed us clean and redeemed us from the curse is the same blood that was shed for our healing (remember the stripes). Just as we have the ability to live sin free in Christ we have the ability to live sickness free in Christ. We are redeemed from the curse of the law. Sickness entered through sin, therefore if we don't sin satan has no access into our life.

We do not have to be sick. In fact, under the old covenant when the Israelites came out of Egypt (a type and shadow of our coming out of the world and into the promise of God) there was not one feeble one among them. We live in the new and better covenant how much more should we have the ability to be free from sickness through the stripes of Christ?

While I agree with the original post that many times sickness is a result of sin, which is why Jesus went around healing all those who were oppressed of the devil, not all sickness is caused be sin. We consume into our body all sorts of bad things through breathing and eating. However, we have been given power over this as the big guy's post stated. The just shall walk by faith. Most people's faith is reactionary. They will believe for healing after they are sick. What if people developed a proactive faith? Believe that sickness cannot come on you before it ever manifests?

I fly a lot...I never wait for a problem to believe for deliverance. Before I ever step foot on a plane I have prayed for it's pilots, mechanical aspects, that there would be no passengers that would cause harm, and that the weather would be good for flying. Proactive faith. I don't want to test my faith at 30,000 feet just like I don't want to test my faith with a malignant cancer.

Live right, live strong, live long...it's the promise of God!

[scotty]

I believe sickness is derived from Adams sin from the beginning. It is a flaw of the flesh. Whether or not we get sick or stay sick can be connected to your level of faith. Do you ever notice when the flu bug is going around town it seems the saints don't have it for near as long as others.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I know too many wonderful saints of God who have spent good amounts of time on a sickbed, and it had nothing to do with sin in their lives. Secondly, what about sick children? Are they ill because of sin?

Everyone dies and everyone suffers from sickness at some point in their life. It's part of the bane of humanity. Thank Adam and Eve for messing things up for us!

The day your baby is sick will be the day you know it isn't because of sin. It's just because. Christianity doesn't protect us from hardship. It doesn't protect us from illness. It just allows us to lean on Someone when we are weak or troubled.

The scripture you provided doesn't say that a man's sins are forgiven and then he is healed. It says that the "Lord shall raise him up; AND if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven...."

Where I will concede a small point is on the context of verse 16--I believe that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man is worth a lot--and that of an unrighteous man may not carry as much weight--therefore when a righteous man asks for healing, perhaps God is more likely to give to him than the unrighteous man. But then, I know that it rains on the just and the unjust...right?

I do also believe that there are natural consequences of sinful or imprudent living that affect ones health--when we treat our bodies badly with substances or a poor lifestyle, then we may be sick later in life. My father was a heavy smoker and drinker (and occasional drug user) before he was saved at age 39, and he still suffered the effects of those things later in life, even though he served God.

If a woman chooses to prostitute herself, and catches a disease, and then is converted...will she necessarily be healed of her disease? Maybe, maybe not. Some consequences do not go away just because God saves our soul.

But I'm not sure that God punishes sinners with illness. If that is the case, why aren't all the Christians thriving, and all the sinners dying young? Why are so many Christians sick and so many sinners healthy?

Miss B
You just make way too much sense! Someone sure must have put some good "stuff" in you as you were growing up! You and my daughter would get along very well. Like "birds of a feather".
Raven

[OneAccord]

I thought about posting something on this subject- but, well, recent events might color my opinions to a degree. But I will say this... while my wife was in the hospital where she was operated on for a brain tumor, I really needed an encouraging word. Something to bolster my faith and spirits. Then I found a Gospel Tract written by an Apostolic preacher on the subject of Divine Healing. Just what I needed. Or so I thought.

One paragraph was dedicated to the promises of God to heal the sick. The rest of the tract was assessing blame on the sick for their sickness. Yes, sin can and does cause sickness. But sickness, like death, is a part of living. However, sickness doesn't always have to have a reason. Sometimes, it just is. So, instead of playing "pin the tail on the donkey", so to speak, we should be doing what Jesus said to do, healing the sick. And THAT is one reason for sickness that is carefully avoided. James urged the sick to call on the elders of the church. (James 5:14). Jesus said that believers would lay hands on the sick and they would recover. (Mark 16). He also said Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. Mat 17:21 Instead of blaming the sick for their problems, maybe we should look at ourselves as part of the problem. Have WE paid the price for the Miracle-working Power of God?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by scotty

I believe sickness is derived from Adams sin from the beginning. It is a flaw of the flesh. Whether or not we get sick or stay sick can be connected to your level of faith. Do you ever notice when the flu bug is going around town it seems the saints don't have it for near as long as others.

I think that's really based on what we perceive.

I don't think it's true that saints of God are less sick or sick less often than sinner folks. We might think it's that way, but I think it's because we pay more attention to those aspects when in reality, it's not really different.

It's just like the full moon phenomenon. There really isn't anything more crazy during that phase but we will pay more attention to things that do happen when there is a full moon out.

Case in point.....today, my former pastor is in the hospital after having gall bladder surgery yesterday. I'm a heathen and in perfect health.

If the reverse were true, it wouldn't have anything to do with the status each of us have in the church. It's life. Life happens.