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[jrLA]

Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! you been watching Benny Hinns wife again???

Ha! Ha!

Some people just need to relax!

[jrLA]

I have been shocked at how some folks reacted to this thread...just goes to show you.....Well, I will not got there! LOL

[Tina]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Sure he does!!!












(Sorry Bro. Smith...something just comes over me and I just can't seem to stop myself!)

The devil made her do it........

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Felicity

There are devils everywhere. Behind pulpits. In the prayer rooms. Leading worship. Chairing boards and committees. Teaching SS.

*sigh*

and on apostolic forums, hehehe


ARPH

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by jrLA

Wow...Some folks just need a good enema to relieve all of that pent up pressure. I have read some posts from some obviously constipated folks!

Oh, please. You were more constipated over timlan calling you "son" than anyone on this thread has been about "music devils!"

[rgcraig]

From the article -- now that is just sad. Here's a man that admits it's just emotion sometimes and that he controlled it.

"I was the piano player in a service one night several years ago; we were singing some old Pentecostal worship chorus..."He Set Me Free" or something similar...people were going nuts. At one particular place in the chorus, I would do one of my little Jerry Lee "Killer" runs, and the congregation would "worship" even more frantically. I watched with complete detachment (I wasn't feeling a thing) as "my" music controlled the temperature of the congregation. Almost like a scientist in a lab out to prove a theory, I went into a very passive mode of playing for about two passes of the chorus...the worship toned down, the shouters quit shouting, the jumpers quit jumping...and then, at the appropriate time, WHAM! I did my little "Goodness gracious, great balls 'o' fire!" run and hit the keyboard wide open...The place went absolutely berserk again."

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

From the article -- now that is just sad. Here's a man that admits it's just emotion sometimes and that he controlled it.

"I was the piano player in a service one night several years ago; we were singing some old Pentecostal worship chorus..."He Set Me Free" or something similar...people were going nuts. At one particular place in the chorus, I would do one of my little Jerry Lee "Killer" runs, and the congregation would "worship" even more frantically. I watched with complete detachment (I wasn't feeling a thing) as "my" music controlled the temperature of the congregation. Almost like a scientist in a lab out to prove a theory, I went into a very passive mode of playing for about two passes of the chorus...the worship toned down, the shouters quit shouting, the jumpers quit jumping...and then, at the appropriate time, WHAM! I did my little "Goodness gracious, great balls 'o' fire!" run and hit the keyboard wide open...The place went absolutely berserk again."

So is it a lack of discernment on our part as Pentecostals to know the difference between emotionalism and a souviern move of God?

I think I have fallen into the same trap as thos folks did a number of years ago--but I wouldnt call it a "music devil"(not that you are Renda)

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

From the article -- now that is just sad. Here's a man that admits it's just emotion sometimes and that he controlled it.

"I was the piano player in a service one night several years ago; we were singing some old Pentecostal worship chorus..."He Set Me Free" or something similar...people were going nuts. At one particular place in the chorus, I would do one of my little Jerry Lee "Killer" runs, and the congregation would "worship" even more frantically. I watched with complete detachment (I wasn't feeling a thing) as "my" music controlled the temperature of the congregation. Almost like a scientist in a lab out to prove a theory, I went into a very passive mode of playing for about two passes of the chorus...the worship toned down, the shouters quit shouting, the jumpers quit jumping...and then, at the appropriate time, WHAM! I did my little "Goodness gracious, great balls 'o' fire!" run and hit the keyboard wide open...The place went absolutely berserk again."

Sad, but oh so true. When you are acting you can make people really cry. I've done that. Cry over a plot that is not even real. (lol) You can get people emotionally into what you are saying, playing, doing. People are emotional.

I think we forget what accolades we place on talented people. You can be at a party and if a doctor is present, people gravitate and think he/she has all the answers. People do that with teachers.

Musicians - well - how cool is that? - we put them up on a pedastal.

Hollywood actors/actresses. The way they push their agendas as if they were gods/goddesses!

None of this is surprising. We are always looking for a "king" to crown. It's just human nature, IMO.

The person receiving that crown? He/she had better be careful when they put it on - it comes with a price.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

So is it a lack of discernment on our part as Pentecostals to know the difference between emotionalism and a souviern move of God?

I think I have fallen into the same trap as thos folks did a number of years ago--but I wouldnt call it a "music devil"(not that you are Renda)

The problem is the author assumed that because HE was carnal and looking on in a daze that the rest of the congregation's worship was equally meaningless. It is okay to have an emotional response to God's presence, it is okay to be emotional in our praise to Him, and it is okay to slow down if the tempo doesn't match hanging from the chandeliers--none of those things equate a lack of sincerity or authenticity on the part of those who were worshipping. It only indicated the author's state of mind.

It also indicates arrogance, because while he thought he was controlling the service by speeding up the music or slowing it down, he really was still just facilitating folks' praise in spite of himself, and instead of being an obstacle as he intended, he ended up still helping them be expressive!

I have heard musicians say in the past that they "controlled" the service one way or the other--nonsense! God is in control. There is no way one narcissistic musician or music director can turn an entire church full of sincere worshipers in the wrong direction. The fact that they are observing and attributing it to themselves is only more evidence of their own carnality.

Again, folks' response to the tempo or rhythm of music does NOT negate their worship experience!

Do we really think God is so small that He will look away from sincere worship because the keyboardist is playing around with different rhythms and riffs and is in total disconnect? No, He'll probably just ignore the keyboardist and bless everyone else!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sad, but oh so true. When you are acting you can make people really cry. I've done that. Cry over a plot that is not even real. (lol) You can get people emotionally into what you are saying, playing, doing. People are emotional.

But while YOU are acting--their response is REAL. Which is my point: A musician can "control" certain aspects of the worship, such as how quickly folks are moving to the rhythm--but they cannot control hearts and minds and sincerity and honest emotional response or connection. Nor can a musician control the moving of the Spirit. Sorry. Not possible.