The Key to Salvation is... the Book of Acts...

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Where do you read Simon went through "3 steps"???
I certainly never read that...

You cannot recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost without faith...
You won't repent of your sins without faith. And sure... you can be baptised without faith.. but it won't do you a lick of good. Your point is really moot.

No, not really, one can try to go through the steps and not have genuine faith ...

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also [in Jesus Christ]: and when he was baptized, he continued with [followed] Philip [everywhere], and wondered [was astonished by], beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

He could've done the Borat and he would've been in the ship.

Was Simon saved if he did steps 1 and 2 in faith but did not speak in tongues?

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Im sorry DA, I thought when you said it was a real silly question, you were being honest.


I appologize for believing you.

One can answer a question and still think it's silly.

However, thanks for believing in me Sir Ferd.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

There you have it ... three stepper is now derrogatory ...

Gentlemen what shall we do???

You see Dan... I have kept silent the last couple days with your new return.. and the new ownership and the new admin and everything else that is new. And kind of observed.

But what is not knew... is your way. And you're very good at it.
It's called thinly veiled sarcasm and condecension. It likely will not be addressed (now that those you are this way to, who were in position to stop you, are gone.) You are never this way toward those who believe as you do. So likely you won't be called on it again anytime soon.

But if you can't be polite and argue your "faith alone" doctrine than you've missed many of the other doctrines of the Bible in your quest to refute the message of the Apostles when the church was born.

[Mrs. LPW]

I stand corrected on Simon the Sorceror...

However, with my mistake, it is recorded that Simon believed... that is faith.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Do you really expect me to disagree with you?

It bothers me when I hear trinitarians referred to as "three-godists." That, even though I completely disagree with their theology.

Debate is squelched immediately when terms like that are thrown around.

... yes, that and the fact that most trinitarians aren't three-godists at all.

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Found it...Thanks..

Is Genuine Faith also being obedient to the Word?

Is that a part of Faith?

Do you believe genuinely? Are you always obedient to all the Word? Will your disobedience in one area mean you are going to split Hell wide open?

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

Being that the epistles were written to people that were termed as "saints" and written to "the churches of", we conclude that somewhere they found salvation.

Acts shows how that Spirit came. It's a salvational message. It's a salvational issue.

So why did the men ask - "What shall we do?" Why were their hearts pricked? What did they think they needed at that point?

Daniel,
I'm still curious on your response to my post here?

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Brother Price;397688]In truth, the truth of salvation is found in Ephesians 2:8-9, the most ignored scriptures in Pentecost today...

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. {Ephesians 2:8-9}



I can't speak for every last preacher in Pentecost today, for certain. But I can speak for the many I've known. And I have yet to meet one who hasn't preached God's grace and unmerited favor. I have yet to meet one who was afraid to quote Ephesians 2... All of the preachers I have known have been grateful for the Grace that saved them and us. Amazing Grace... how sweet the sound. I don't know anyone who has ignored this scripture.

In fact, this scripture was written to people who were still trying to keep the Old Testement law, and expecting everyone to do so... the "works" referred to in this passage have nothing to do with our being Baptised in that beautiful name of Jesus when we've repented.

None of us can merit our salvation, and I've never heard a preacher preach that you could.

The Acts of the Apostles are written so we know how, when, where, why, who, and the like... when the church was born. How the Jews and Gentiles were both brought through the same door with the same keys.

Just wondered why no one had addressed the fact that the so-called "three steppers" don't believe you are saved by works.

That entering a covenant with the Lord isn't our own "works". But His Grace and our obedience.

Because really and truly, that is what we believe and anyone who tells you any different has an agenda.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Just wondered why no one had addressed the fact that the so-called "three steppers" don't believe you are saved by works.

That entering a covenant with the Lord isn't our own "works". But His Grace and our obedience.

Because really and truly, that is what we believe and anyone who tells you any different has an agenda.

I believe someone stated it was "unfortunate" to use the 3-stepper terminology in a derogatory way. I agree.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I believe someone stated it was "unfortunate" to use the 3-stepper terminology in a derogatory way. I agree.

Yes.. it is unfortunate, and even more unfortunate are the souls who will never hear the message the Apostles preached because of men equating obedience to works...