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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Double AMEN that!!

I believe we need more quiet times in the Lord ...

I do not believe we give God enough time in the services. (We have a schedule to keep, you know.)

We need to wait more often... we get too anxious to try to make it happen.

So true, we don't give Him enough time.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am for, carefully, following after His Spirit. It's takes time and patience. None of us are God. We don't know what people are thinking and needing when they walk through those doors. God is the only one that knows. Why manipulate the people. Why not just take some time and find out what door God wants us to walk through and throw that thing open when we find and do our Pentecostal business? - in the Holy Ghost!!!

Excellent!!! I like this--a lot!!!!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I would venture that all of our responses are out of our flesh! But maybe some of them are carnal? That doesn't make them bad--really--but maybe misguided.

Well perhaps it just semantics--of course our actions unless we are dead are done by our flesh-carnal is a good word.

Sure. We are creatures of habit. We tend to take authentic response, and once it has happened several times in a row--we do it just because. It's called a Rut. I know people who treat their prayer time that way--they have to pray an hour, whether they say anything meaningful or not, and sometimes they just fill in the time with "Glory, glory", and watch the clock with one eye until an hour is up! I don't see how that's fruitful! If we get into a rut, or we're doing something out of habit, and its not from our heart, its time to step back and re-evaluate, and maybe rearrange our worship.

Good point! I agree.

I would call it praise. I tend to separate them a little...worship seems to come more from the heart, and "praise" seems to be giving God praise because He deserves it and it feels good to give Him what He wants. Maybe I'm defining them wrong. I'm not too bothered by the "stopping" when the music stops, because most folks would feel that they were out of order if they were to continue worshiping without music, even if they wanted to continue.

I find this last statement interesting, because I didnt know people thought like that, that if the music ceased they should cease. Perhaps it's just me but sometimes I would continue to 'worship' regardless if the music continued or not.
The point that I was making actually mirrored what the author was describing--experiencing the eb and flo intensity of worship being influenced by a beat, or sound.

That IS immature, and some of the best worship services I have been in have been with just Sis. Ewing on the organ at Eastwood or my Dad playing the guitar at our home church, or my oldest sister on the piano singing choruses. I get a bit sick and tired of the bashing to wards young people that goes on, though...older folks feel they can't worship with the "new" music, but yet they expect the younger ones to worship with unfamiliar hymns and old songs. There needs to be something for everyone, and most good music directors will try to facilitate the entire congregation--not just one group.

Girl you have no idea what we went through trying to make everyone happy--it was impossible to do. Just as you described the older folks felt left out if we didn't sing a hymnal and the other folks would make faces when we say an old song.

Sometimes the two are connected or overlapping so its kind of hard to separate it, except within your own heart. You know whether you are responding to God's presence or a great note!

Right!

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

it might not be discerning evil but discerning what the spirit is doing at that time-

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are so right. But, really, I've been trained through the years that the loud expression is the best - you know - make a joyful noise......?

I've posted this before, but it really made an indelible impression on me forever and I'm sure I will reference it again.

One day, during my regular prayer time, I was struggling and so I began to clap and say, loudly, "I love you Jesus!!!" Lord, that made me more frustrated.

Soooo, I knelt by the bed and simply said, in a quiet voice, "I love you Jesus."

Wellllll, His Spirit flooded that bedroom!!! How easy was that? He just wanted my heart!!!

I didn't have to turn cartwheels or hang from a chandelier to get His attention.
Let me also go on record as saying, "If you come out of the prayer room and you have a shout in your feet - shout your hair down if you want to!" I am not against noise.

I am for, carefully, following after His Spirit. It's takes time and patience. None of us are God. We don't know what people are thinking and needing when they walk through those doors. God is the only one that knows. Why manipulate the people. Why not just take some time and find out what door God wants us to walk through and throw that thing open when we find and do our Pentecostal business? - in the Holy Ghost!!!

The cartwheel remark made me laugh!

I am going to edit this remark I made prior-

It's sad that people do not know what you know Pressing, they do not know God like this- in the quite moments.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Excellent!!! I like this--a lot!!!!

Hallelujah! In the Holy Ghost!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

The cartwheel remark made me laugh!

I am going to edit this remark I made prior-

It's sad that people do not know what you know Pressing, they do not know God like this- in the quite moments.

It is sad. Now, listen - I'm just like Saul!! I need music to calm me down - just don't rush me. My mind is usually tearing around at 120 mph. I cannot be rushed.

I had someone actually glare at me because I didn't come to the front and pray with a women that walked up to the altar area. I had nothing I felt to say to her. I felt like it was a personal time she needed alone without interference. We need to be sensitive to His Spirit. Not everyone needs you to lay hands on them. I refuse to be intimated into that. Just preaching!!!!!

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I had someone actually glare at me because I didn't come to the front and pray with a women that walked up to the altar area. I had nothing I felt to say to her. I felt like it was a personal time she needed alone without interference. We need to be sensitive to His Spirit. No everyone needs you to lay hands on them. I refuse to be intimated into that. Just preaching!!!!!

SHINE THE LIGHT LORD!!!! I wish more people discerned this!!!!

People rushing over to pray on others at the altar just because they need to BE DOING SOMETHING ... big turn off. Really keeps people out of the altars!!!

If the Holy Ghost leads, fine. Otherwise, pray for them at your seat... or better yet, maybe pray about yourself once in awhile!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

SHINE THE LIGHT LORD!!!! I wish more people discerned this!!!!

People rushing over to pray on others at the altar just because they need to BE DOING SOMETHING ... big turn off. Really keeps people out of the altars!!!

If the Holy Ghost leads, fine. Otherwise, pray for them at your seat... or better yet, maybe pray about yourself once in awhile!!!!

Yes, that will preach!

[CC1]

Here are "music devils" in my opinion;

1. Freddie Fender
2. Tiny Tim
3. Kris Kristofferson
4. All Polka Music
5. All heavy metal except a few power ballads
6. Accordian music of any type

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here are "music devils" in my opinion;

1. Freddie Fender
2. Tiny Tim
3. Kris Kristofferson
4. All Polka Music
5. All heavy metal except a few power ballads
6. Accordian music of any type

Yes, I think that sums it up for all of us.