Understand revelation

[mfblume]

Good one, AT.

Daniel was told to seal the book until the time of the end.

Daniel 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9 KJV And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

400 Years later, John was told to NOT seal the book because the time was at hand.

Revelation 22:10 KJV And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Daniel and Revelation contain many of the same visions and issues.

Why would John not seal the book, since the time was "at hand" and these things have not been fulfilled for 2,000 years since John? Daniel only lived 400 years before John and had to seal the book since it was not the time of the end.

The time of the end was IN JOHN'S DAY!

Hebrews 1:2 KJV Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 John 2:18 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And some others say the last days have been 2,000 years so far! WHAT?!

[Brother Price]

Nice, and straight forward. I like it!

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

How about Revelation 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation was a letter John wrote to seven churches in Asia.He clearly said things which MUST SHORTLY come to pass..This word shortly has the same meaning of the same word found in Acts 25:4

But Festus answered, that Paul should be kept at Caesarea, and that he himself would depart shortly thither.

Do you suppose it took Festus 2000 years to get there?..same word same meaning...I believe shortly means shortly..

A thousand yrs.is as a day.Two thousand yrs. is two days.That is shortly come to pass.Note what all takes place when Jesus returns in the first resurrection.

This no happened yet......2Pet.3
[1] This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[2] That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[14] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[18] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[Joelel]

Mf said>Good one, AT.

Daniel was told to seal the book until the time of the end.


Quote:
Daniel 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9 KJV And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

400 Years later, John was told to NOT seal the book because the time was at hand.


Quote:
Revelation 22:10 KJV And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Daniel and Revelation contain many of the same visions and issues.

Why would John not seal the book, since the time was "at hand" and these things have not been fulfilled for 2,000 years since John? Daniel only lived 400 years before John and had to seal the book since it was not the time of the end.

The time of the end was IN JOHN'S DAY!


Quote:
Hebrews 1:2 KJV Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 John 2:18 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And some others say the last days have been 2,000 years so far! WHAT?!


Joel reply>Knowledge was never increased like it is today,we are in the end now .Daniel 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:9 KJV And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Yelp,were in the last days,that started at the time Jesus was on earth and continue untill the first resurrection will come soon.The time is at hand,1,000 yrs. is as a day.It's now been 2,000 yrs. so that's two days.Yelp it is at hand.

[Joelel]

Well let's see,if this time that is at hand was back at 40 or 70 AD like they say,then I guess the Lord gave rewards to people then too.Nope,don't think so.
Rev.22:10: And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11: He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12: And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[gloryseeker]

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

It would seem to me that Daniel's "time of the end" is defined by the end of the sentence.
While travel has always been, the "many" really hasn't come into being until more modern travel. The same is true of knowledge increasing. It really hasn't been until the last few decades that major increase in knowledge started taking place.

It would appear that the "time of the end" carries different definitions.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

It would seem to me that Daniel's "time of the end" is defined by the end of the sentence.
While travel has always been, the "many" really hasn't come into being until more modern travel. The same is true of knowledge increasing. It really hasn't been until the last few decades that major increase in knowledge started taking place.

It would appear that the "time of the end" carries different definitions.

A big Amen there.Bump for the predators.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Joelel

A big Amen there.Bump for the predators.

Do you believe that Jesus has come into His Kingdom?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by onlygrace

Do you believe that Jesus has come into His Kingdom?

What do you mean into his kingdom ?

The kingdom of God means rule of God or where God rules.God rules in us by the Holy Ghost and many other places and ways now and in the future.

Luke17:20: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rom.14:17: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Math.4:17: From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Math.24:14: And this gospel of the kingdom (the Holy Ghost In you) shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Math.4:23: And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,(the Holy Ghost in you) and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark.9:1: And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom (the Holy Ghost)of God come with power.

Mark12:34: And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom (From receiving the Holy Ghost)of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Luke10:9: And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom (the Holy Ghost)of God is come nigh unto you. 10: But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11: Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom (the Holy Ghost)of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke11:20: But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom (of the Holy Ghost) of God is come upon you.

[ApostolicTexas]

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A thousand yrs.is as a day.Two thousand yrs. is two days.That is shortly come to pass.Note what all takes place when Jesus returns in the first resurrection.

This is your interpretation Joel..this is not scriptural..

This no happened yet......2Pet.3
[1] This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[2] That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[14] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[18] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

What you fail to realize Joel that this scripture along with the rest of the NT is audience revelance..there was an original audience to whom this was written to and they looked towards this happening in their day..