Question--Ethics

[Ron]

Let's say that there is a politician that is running for office & you catch him in a lie-would you still support him/her?

Let's say a major corporation owns a chain of shops where one can get thier favourite beverage & it is found out the Corporation supports Abortion & Gay Rights-would you still shop there?

Let's say that there is a Minister caught in a lie-would you still support him/her?

This should be interesting.

[RandyWayne]

#1) It depends

#2) Yes. I would still 'shop' there since it is virtually impossible to spend a dollar without some small % going to something you disprove of.

#3) It depends (we ARE all human after all), but would hold to a much higher standard then the politician from question 1.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

#1) It depends

#2) Yes. (Would still 'shop' there.)

#3 It depends, but would hold to a much higher standard then the politician from question 1.

Why the uncertainty?

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by Ron

Let's say that there is a politician that is running for office & you catch him in a lie-would you still support him/her?

Brother, if I personally catch him/her in a lie, then I am much too close to this person. On the other hand, honestly, if we refuse to vote for someone we know has lied, or suspect has lied, then we won't have anyone to vote for. We just have to choose which things they lied about being the most important or least important.

Let's say a major corporation owns a chain of shops where one can get thier favourite beverage & it is found out the Corporation supports Abortion & Gay Rights-would you still shop there?

Probably. This isn't something that is decided on by one individual. It's a corporation thing. I find it hard to punish everyone because of what some have chosen. Besides, what does what I have to drink have to do with they support? NOBODY agrees with me on EVERYTHING. Nor do I agree with any one other person on every little thing.
Let's say that there is a Minister caught in a lie-would you still support him/her?

This should be interesting.

Now as far as the Minister question - honestly, I'd have a hard time convincing myself to support a Minister who was caught in a lie. That's a whole different thing. I can't expect the world to act in a holy and upright manner. But we in the church, including the ministry, but certainly not limited to the ministry, should be striving to do better.

I guess whether I could support someone in that situation or not would depend largely on #1) what they lied about #2) Are they truly sorry and repentant about it.

If they lied and said they hadn't molested a child when they indeed had, then NO WAY I could support them, no matter how repentant they were.

If they lied and said they had missed church because they were sick when really they had been golfing, well, if they were repentant, then ok, I can forgive.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Now as far as the Minister question - honestly, I'd have a hard time convincing myself to support a Minister who was caught in a lie. That's a whole different thing. I can't expect the world to act in a holy and upright manner. But we in the church, including the ministry, but certainly not limited to the ministry, should be striving to do better.

I guess whether I could support someone in that situation or not would depend largely on #1) what they lied about #2) Are they truly sorry and repentant about it.

If they lied and said they hadn't molested a child when they indeed had, then NO WAY I could support them, no matter how repentant they were.

If they lied and said they had missed church because they were sick when really they had been golfing, well, if they were repentant, then ok, I can forgive.

Interesting!

[DividedThigh]

sorry i still live in a world of black and white, no, no and no, lol,dt

[QueenEsther]

Originally Posted by Ron

Let's say that there is a politician that is running for office & you catch him in a lie-would you still support him/her?

Don't they all?

Let's say a major corporation owns a chain of shops where one can get thier favourite beverage & it is found out the Corporation supports Abortion & Gay Rights-would you still shop there?

I have had mixed feelings about this - on one hand I want to quit shopping at these places but as someone above stated - there is a very high % of places that support these types of lists so I would have to become Amish! Lol!

Let's say that there is a Minister caught in a lie-would you still support him/her?



This should be interesting.

In regards to the minister one I also have to say it would depend! Once they lie it would be VERY hard to trust them again but we are all human and I do NOT expect ministers to be perfect! I think it would be easier to overlook them sinning (adultry, porn, drinking) than to overlook their lying - not because lying is a worse sin but because if they are not honest how can we trust them? If they fell and looked up a porn site and came clean and didn't lie about it then I would know they are human like us and that they are honest therefore I would be able to trust them. JMO. We should treat them the same Christ would treat them. An honest minister would step down for awhile if he messed up I would think and that would show if he really is sincere or not. But if someone has a lying problem then IMO they can't be trusted!

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

sorry i still live in a world of black and white, no, no and no, lol,dt

I'd LIKE to live in a world of black and white (at least in theory, I would).

But in today's world, I don't see how that's possible. Which of the presidential candidates haven't lied about something? Even if we don't know about the lies right now, in time, believe me the media will ferret them out. It's a sad world we live in, but the reality of it is that we are basically left with the choosing the lesser of the evils every time we vote.

At the same time, we have to keep in mind that we cannot expect people who are not children of God to act like we can expect the children of God to act. The POWER is not within them.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Margies3

I'd LIKE to live in a world of black and white (at least in theory, I would).

But in today's world, I don't see how that's possible. Which of the presidential candidates haven't lied about something? Even if we don't know about the lies right now, in time, believe me the media will ferret them out. It's a sad world we live in, but the reality of it is that we are basically left with the choosing the lesser of the evils every time we vote.

At the same time, we have to keep in mind that we cannot expect people who are not children of God to act like we can expect the children of God to act. The POWER is not within them.

agreed sis, but we can try to have our own standards and live within them, dt

[Ron]

Originally Posted by QueenEsther

In regards to the minister one I also have to say it would depend! Once they lie it would be VERY hard to trust them again but we are all human and I do NOT expect ministers to be perfect! I think it would be easier to overlook them sinning (adultry, porn, drinking) than to overlook their lying - not because lying is a worse sin but because if they are not honest how can we trust them? If they fell and looked up a porn site and came clean and didn't lie about it then I would know they are human like us and that they are honest therefore I would be able to trust them. JMO. We should treat them the same Christ would treat them. An honest minister would step down for awhile if he messed up I would think and that would show if he really is sincere or not. But if someone has a lying problem then IMO they can't be trusted!

Interesting. It is true that a high percentage of Politicians "bend" the truth.
It is also true that a lot of Corporations are using thier funds in ways that would cause a Christian to have a hard time supporting them.

As for a Minister, the only currency they have aside from being called of God is thier integrity.