AMF/Tulsa: the result of "tradition of men"

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

Heresy....that would be the short answer.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic

Tell me it aint so!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Very good post!

[Pastor Keith]

This reminds me of the lady that used to cut the ends of the ham off before cooking it, when asked why she did it, she said, well that's how my mother used to do it, not knowing that her mother did it because the pan was to short.

Somethings that are done in Pentecost out of tradition with the original intent and purpose long lost.

[bishoph]

I think we often forget that the Bible we teach/preach from, while it applies to all peoples and cultures, was not written from a western perspective. This changes how we view certain things when we begin to understand to whom it was written and the mindset of that culture. It is then that we can uncover the real principles of scripture instead of building monuments of hay, straw, and stubble.

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Thanks... I can get onboard with your answer.

But are there pastors that have heard from God to place mandates on his/her flock?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I think we often forget that the Bible we teach/preach from, while it applies to all peoples and cultures, was not written from a western perspective. This changes how we view certain things when we begin to understand to whom it was written and the mindset of that culture. It is then that we can uncover the real principles of scripture instead of building monuments of hay, straw, and stubble.

Now we KNOW you have "gone charismatic"!!!!!

You keep talking like this and you are going to be blackballed. I usually only hear UPC or other old time Pentecostal preachers speak like this in private and only then when they explicitly trust the preson not to repeat it.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Thanks... I can get onboard with your answer.

But are there pastors that have heard from God to place mandates on his/her flock?

I believe if you tooka survery there are a lot of pastors that are under that impression!