Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Hands yes but not waists.

Not the waist. Yes, we get it.
Who here is encouraging men to touch women's waists? Did i miss something?

Anyone with an ounce of wisdom knows that he should be careful when praying with/for a woman. Therefore touching the waist (or anything below the shoulders probably) would be inadvisable.

There are probably few among us who would agree with that. So what's your next point?
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Of course you take it to the next level ,as if to say that even touching her forehead or shoulder is wrong. And what do you base that on?... the fact that you dont see in the scriptures where the apostles touched a woman's shoulder or forehead? If thats the case, then thats not "rightly dividing the word" at all.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yelp,maybe you should go to the charismatic churches where the men and women kiss each other,then who knows what's next.

Lol, Joelel, I've NEVER been to a church like that. Have you?

I have been known to occasionally greet my closest girlfriends with a hug and light cheek or forehead kiss, or an air kiss. It's just affectionate. Did you never get hugs growing up? You should come to one of the family reunions on my mother's side of the family--every single person hugs and kisses everyone else just because we're family, and whether you want it or not!

I have NEVER seen any Christian, charismatic or otherwise, greet another Christian, male or female, with a romantic, sensual or sexual kiss. Uh...well, unless they were married, or someone had just said, "You may kiss the bride."

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Joelel

No and it don't say the apostles said I baptize you in Jesus name.It says they called on the name of the Lord,(Jesus)

Very true. Calling on the name of the Lord has always been done by the believer throughout Scripture ... not a third-party.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

PO don't cha' know nuttin'? Robes is a women's garment. LOL (YKIJK)

The good thing about robes you don't have to look at peoples body parts shake when they walk or move.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Joel,
You know, I remember reading somewhere they had women that baptized the women.

Maybe someone can post that information or comment on that.

I don't remember that one,if so it should be the same today if a person must be touched.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Its actually a preposterous thought.

Nowhere in scripture do you see anyone say "I baptize myself in Jesus' name!"

Originally Posted by Joelel

No and it don't say the apostles said I baptize you in Jesus name.It says they called on the name of the Lord,(Jesus)

Well that's a separate issue.
But how about if we stick to you original contention here, before we jump all over the place?

You stated your belief that a person can jump in the water and baptize himself in Jesus name. You still haven't shown us any scriptural examples of that. We're still waiting.

But then again, maybe you already know there aren't any such examples.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well that's a separate issue.
But how about if we stick to you original contention here, before we jump all over the place?

You stated your belief that a person can jump in the water and baptize himself in Jesus name. You still haven't shown us any scriptural examples of that. We're still waiting.

But then again, maybe you already know there aren't any such examples.

One is baptized in Jesus name by the authority and power he gave when he commissioned his apostles in Matthew given to Him by the Father.

There is no evidence that the verbalization of a proper name by a third party or the believer validates or nullifies the baptism.

You cannot provide any examples of a baptism that was performed in this way either ... Yet it's the cornerstone to your salvational doctrine.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

One is baptized in Jesus name by the authority and power he gave when he commissioned his apostles in Matthew given to Him by the Father.

There is no evidence that the verbalization of a proper name by a third party or the believer validates or nullifies the baptism.

You cannot provide any examples of a baptism that was performed in this way either ... Yet it's the cornerstone to your salvational doctrine.

Welcome to the party, DA.

Hmmm... baptizing into "the name" doesn't imlply invoking the actual "name"; it refers to "the authority"... blah,blah, blah. Yeah, heard that one before.
I'm not going to run down that rabbit trail with you Daniel, but nice try anyway.

Now sticking to the matter at hand...the issue in question was simply can a person [properly and scripturally] baptize himself by calling Jesus' name and jumping into the water, as Joelel is trying to say.

The answer is simply no.
Or to put another way...These are the 5 examples of people baptizing themselves in the New Testament:

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Since that's a fairly simple matter which really can't be refuted, I think I'll just move along.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Joelel, if youre going to appeal to the original Greek, you really should at least become armed with the facts when debating a topic like this. Praxeas is not referring simply to the word itself but to the grammar also.

The form of the word indicates its meaning in context. In greek each verb is either in the passive voice, active voice, or middle voice.

In the cases where baptism is spoken of, it is always in the active voice (such as "baptize them") , or passive voice (such as "be baptized [by someone else]")

It is NEVER in the middle voice , (such as "I baptize myself"). From examining the original Greek , its clear that none of the NT writers spoke this concept you're insisting on... that people can/should baptize themselves.

Please buddy, get your facts straight.

I said in an other post also,if you took them to the water and called on the name of the Lord as we are suppose to do with them and they jumped in the water,you would be baptizing them.What makes people think you must hold them or touch them ?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Welcome to the party, DA.

Hmmm... baptizing into "the name" doesn't imlply invoking the actual "name"; it refers to "the authority"... blah,blah, blah. Yeah, heard that one before.
I'm not going to run down that rabbit trail with you Daniel, but nice try anyway.

Now sticking to the matter at hand...the issue in question was simply can a person [properly and scripturally] baptize himself by calling Jesus' name and jumping into the water, as Joelel is trying to say.

The answer is simply no.
Or to put another way...These are the 5 examples of people baptizing themselves in the New Testament:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Since that's a fairly simple matter which really can't be refuted, I think I'll just move along.