Obama Addresses Racial "Anger" - Page 25

ReformedDave · #**241** 03-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

In his speech, Obama did admit he had heard remarks like that from his pastor.

It bothers me that Barack Obama would be a part of that church for so long, that he would expose his children to that racist vitriol, and that he would support the church by his presence and financially. From what I've heard Oprah stated that she was uncomfortable there. However, that church has had a lot of programs that have helped minority people. Maybe Barack Obama looked at it like we OP's tell people to support their church based on an overall picture and not to bolt because we disagree with some of the things we hear from the pulpit --to go along because the good outweighs the bad.

To ere is human.......(the worst enabling philosophy in history)

Pressing-On · #**242** 03-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I think we are all racist at times.

Sam, I think you are right or it is just things people do that annoy us and if that person is another color we call it racism?

Jermyn Davidson · #**243** 03-20-2008, 09:08 AM

I think that the widespread distrust of the American government is widespread, beyond the confines of American blacks. The reasons for that distrust will vary, depending on who you talk to.

As far as distrust of whites by blacks, I know many blacks, some older, some younger than me, who feel this way. Even some who are in the military feel this way, and I can't justify or not justify every person's reason(s) for that distrust.

I have said on more than one occasion when I found myself involved in conversations when these sentiments were expressed, "Most white people aren't racist and aren't trying to keep you down. They don't know you and they have too much on their plate to be worried about making sure your life is miserable."

I get a sincere chuckle out of the younger folks sometimes-- never out of the older folks though. There really is still a lot of pain and bitterness.

TRFrance · #**244** 03-20-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I'm not a GWB supporter but to equate Bob Jones Un. (which I also don't support) with Wright's inflammatory comments is completely different. I may see the position against interracial 'relationships' as mis-informed and ignorant but I know many people of color that feel the same way. It is not always for bigotry that many take this stance.

For Obama to sit in Wright's church for 20 years and to claim that he never heard Wright make his remarks.....he must think we're smoking crack. On some level there is an attitude of acceptance.

My dear brother....

The Bob Jones incident was particularly offensive to many black voters in this case, and I'll explain why.

Bush and his campaign were acutely aware of black dislinke/distrust of the Republican party. He campaigned as being a "compassionate conservative", "a uniter not a divider", etc. The Republican party was making concerted attempts to reach out to to blacks and Hispanics, constituencies that typically leaned Democratic...

He was warned before the Bob Jones thing not to go, as it would be offensive to many minorities that he'd go to a university that had a bigoted policy on interracial relationships. But he decided to go anyway.

That was seen as just another symptom of the disregard Republicans have shown for African-American concerns. He had a chance to make a statement, and do the right thing... but I guess he didn't want to tick off white South Carolina voters.

Not only did it show poor political judgment, but it served to make many blacks say "see, he's just like all the rest". Blacks then voted 91% Democrat in the 2000 elections -- the highest percentage ever for the Democrat party.

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I may see the position against interracial 'relationships' as mis-informed and ignorant but I know many people of color that feel the same way. It is not always for bigotry that many take this stance.

Fine .You may make excuses for Bob Jones University if you like... but most of us see it plainly for what it was. Their policies against blacks and white dating... if it wasnt rooted in bigotry, what was it then? ... rooted in "concern" for those dating?

It's frankly none of their business, and it reeks of prejudice. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.... please don't try to convince me its not really a duck. I was born at night--but not last night.

TRFrance · #**245** 03-20-2008, 09:13 AM

Well, I'm no prophet, but let me just go on record as saying it...

I am fully convinced:
Obama is too badly damaged now. He will never recover from this.
John McCain will be our next president.

Pressing-On · #**246** 03-20-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 1399

I think that the widespread distrust of the American government is widespread, beyond the confines of American blacks. The reasons for that distrust will vary, depending on who you talk to.

As far as distrust of whites by blacks, I know many blacks, some older, some younger than me, who feel this way. Even some who are in the military feel this way, and I can't justify or not justify every person's reason(s) for that distrust.

I have said on more than one occasion when I found myself involved in conversations when these sentiments were expressed, "Most white people aren't racist and aren't trying to keep you down. They don't know you and they have too much on their plate to be worried about making sure your life is miserable."

I get a sincere chuckle out of the younger folks sometimes-- never out of the older folks though. There really is still a lot of pain and bitterness.

I agree. I hate it when I'm in the grocery store and a black person looks at you with such hatred. I want to say, "Good grief. What did I do to you?"

I think the media keeps all of this stirred up and I have read and believe that Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are the worst human beings that keep the issue stirred up. They are not helping anything at all.

Have you read Star Parker's book, "Uncle Sam's Plantation"? Excellent read. She talks about how hard it is to get off the welfare system, as she was in it. She took a job that payed her less than what she could get on welfare, but she was determined to make it.

We need people to feel of value to themselves and Welfare isn't doing that.

I saw, with my own eyes, a black guy in Houston being interviewed after Katrina. He said, "If they don't continue to help us, they will see what crime really is."

What in the world kind of statement is that? Crazy!!!

Pressing-On · #**247** 03-20-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, I'm no prophet, but let me just go on record as saying it...

I am fully convinced:
Obama is too badly damaged now. He will never recover from this.
John McCain will be our next president.

ReformedDave · #**248** 03-20-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

My dear brother....

The Bob Jones incident was particularly offensive to many black voters in this case, and I'll explain why.

Bush and his campaign were acutely aware of black dislinke/distrust of the Republican party. He campaigned as being a "compassionate conservative", "a uniter not a divider", etc. The Republican party was making concerted attempts to reach out to to blacks and Hispanics, constituencies that typically leaned Democratic...

He was warned before the Bob Jones thing not to go, as it would be offensive to many minorities that he'd go to a university that had a bigoted policy on interracial relationships. But he decided to go anyway.

That was seen as just another symptom of the disregard Republicans have shown for African-American concerns. He had a chance to make a statement, and do the right thing... but I guess he didn't want to tick off white South Carolina voters.

Not only did it show poor political judgment, but it served to make many blacks say "see, he's just like all the rest". Blacks then voted 91% Democrat in the 2000 elections -- the highest percentage ever for the Democrat party.

Fine .You may make excuses for Bob Jones University if you like... but most of us see it plainly for what it was. Their policies against blacks and white dating... if it wasnt rooted in bigotry, what was it then? ... rooted in "concern" for those dating?

It's frankly none of their business, and it reeks of prejudice. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.... please don't try to convince me its not really a duck. I was born at night--but not last night.

My late father held this view for many years and after speaking with him at length I sincerely believe it was not one of bigotry. He truly believed, albeit wrongly, that races should not mix. In his mind it was a God-given barrier. He had assistant pastors that were Black and Hispanic and he loved them dearly. He softened his position as he grew older but he did hold it for many years.