Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniarianism?

[SDG]

And still more Oneness that all of Y'all!!!

Where is that Trinitarian Appreciation thread I started?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

... The topic does not include salvation...

Some times we make it salvational and some times we think a person's salvation depends on how we as finite humans understand and explain an infinite God.

[Cindy]

I do however believe in ONE God. And that is biblical!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I believe in One God who has revealed himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

As well as Counselor, Comforter, Husband, Provider, Mercy Giver, Defender, Lover, Friend, Confidant, Strong Tower, Great and Mighty Hero, and so on...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

As well as Counselor, Comforter, Husband, Provider, Mercy Giver, Defender, Lover, Friend, Confidant, Strong Tower, Great and Mighty Hero, and so on...

That too.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I've heard of one-steppers and three-steppers, but now I see we have a third class of Pentecostals - Side-steppers.

I only asked which doctrinal view you believe is correct. The topic does not include salvation. Only which view is Biblical.

Ohhhhh. Both views are taken from various scriptues in the bible.

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I've heard of one-steppers and three-steppers, but now I see we have a third class of Pentecostals - Side-steppers.

I only asked which doctrinal view you believe is correct. The topic does not include salvation. Only which view is Biblical.

LOL! Side-steppers. I love it! You are too funny!!!

I believe Jesus Christ is Lord.

I believe the Holy Ghost is God's spirit in me.

I believe Jesus Christ was God incarnate.

I believe in ONE GOD.

Does that make me "Oneness" you ask? Not sure, because I certainly do NOT believe all that OPs believe. So I guess I need a definition of ONENESS from you before I can answer.

[SDG]

The Oneness model to understanding our God is easiest for me to comprehend for many reasons ... most probably because I grew up in it...

I think this issue is mostly about focus, my friends.

Oneness believers focus heavily on the deity of Jesus Christ while still acknowledging the distinctions in how God has chosen to reveal himself to humanity ....

Trinitarians focus a lot of their energies on celebrating the distinctions of God while still acknowledging the deity of Jesus Christ ....

Two sides of a coin that need examination.

I truly believe:

... the existence of this often circular debate revolves around:

1. semantics over words such as persons, distinctions, modes, etc.

2. pride in presenting facts, figures,scripture, grammar, logic, scholarship and Church history while debunking the other side's facts, figures, logic, interpretation of scripture, grammar, scholarship and Church history. {I want to be right and prove you wrong while never admitting when I am wrong}

3. prejudices and hatreds based on a century old feud

eventually leading to more circular debates on:

4. the proper baptismal formula and questioning the other's salvation

and most often culminates in:

5. name calling, sensitivities hurt, and insults
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In the end, this is what matters ... both sides whole heartedly agree and believe in:

1. One God
2.The Mighty God in Christ
3. Jesus is fully man and fully God
4. Jesus is the Son of God
5. Jesus died for our sins and was raised to give us new life.
6. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

I'd like to see us discuss this issue responsibly, in a Christ-like manner, and w/o the hurt feelings and defensive postures.

Once again, I'll reiterate ... the minute I can fully explain and define an infinite and Almighty God ... He ceases to be God ....

and I've become an idolater.

Lastly, I am yet to meet a Trinitarian that believes in 3 Gods ... most modern trinitarians use a lot of Oneness language, also.

I know to some their God box means everything ... but when will we let God be God?

If we have His Spirit we are all His.

I'm for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ ... him crucified and resurrected ... not the Gospel of Full Understanding.

So you guys continue to wrap your minds around the I am .... have fun.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I believe in One God who has revealed himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Do you believe there are three persons in the Godhead?

Do you believe those three persons are coequal, coexistant and coeternal?

[Praxeas]

Cutting out the verbage of either side I think Oneness is more accurate.

The bible never says they are distinct PERSONS...infact persons is a vague term for many, Trinitarians use pronouns to say "persons", but there are two words used in the greek to mean person..one is inward person....the core identity or WHO and there is the outward person....many Oneness would say the word manifestation or mode here.

In the greek the term Hypostasis is used to mean that inward person. It literally means foundation...what lies beneath.

And then there is the word prosopon, which means mask or outward. Prosopon is used quite often in scriptures and is even translated person. Hypostasis is used only once and of the Father.

Prosopon is also translated presense....refers to the Spirit of God and also of the Son...

So I would say there is one hypostasis (Heb 1:3) and at least two prosopons.

One of those prosopons has a complete human nature...which gives him a human mind and will and in that prosopon he empties (Kenosis) himself if the Divine nature so he can fully function as a human being like us (Phil 2)