Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniarianism?

[staysharp]

I say neither, twoness seems to be more biblical. Christ was raised from the dead by His Father, he was given a Kingdom from His Father which has no end. He was presented before the ancient of Days and coroneted before the throne. He now sits at the right hand of the Father.

BTW, Jesus' flesh was resurrected and he ascended into heaven.

13I saw in the night visions, and behold, [b]on the clouds of the heavens came One like a Son of man, and He came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him.

Daniel 7
14And there was given Him [the Messiah] dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away, and His kingdom is one which shall not be destroyed.

Acts 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Acts 7:55
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Ephesians 1:20
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hebrews 8:1
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The Oneness model to understanding our God is easiest for me to comprehend for many reasons ... most probably because I grew up in it...

I think this issue is mostly about focus, my friends.

Oneness believers focus heavily on the deity of Jesus Christ while still acknowledging the distinctions in how God has chosen to reveal himself to humanity ....

Trinitarians focus a lot of their energies on celebrating the distinctions of God while still acknowledging the deity of Jesus Christ ....

Two sides of a coin that need examination.

I truly believe:

... the existence of this often circular debate revolves around:

1. semantics over words such as persons, distinctions, modes, etc.

2. pride in presenting facts, figures,scripture, grammar, logic, scholarship and Church history while debunking the other side's facts, figures, logic, interpretation of scripture, grammar, scholarship and Church history. {I want to be right and prove you wrong while never admitting when I am wrong}

3. prejudices and hatreds based on a century old feud

eventually leading to more circular debates on:

4. the proper baptismal formula and questioning the other's salvation

and most often culminates in:

5. name calling, sensitivities hurt, and insults
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In the end, this is what matters ... both sides whole heartedly agree and believe in:

1. One God
2.The Mighty God in Christ
3. Jesus is fully man and fully God
4. Jesus is the Son of God
5. Jesus died for our sins and was raised to give us new life.
6. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

I'd like to see us discuss this issue responsibly, in a Christ-like manner, and w/o the hurt feelings and defensive postures.

Once again, I'll reiterate ... the minute I can fully explain and define an infinite and Almighty God ... He ceases to be God ....

and I've become an idolater.

Lastly, I am yet to meet a Trinitarian that believes in 3 Gods ... most modern trinitarians use a lot of Oneness language, also.

I know to some their God box means everything ... but when will we let God be God?

If we have His Spirit we are all His.

I'm for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ ... him crucified and resurrected ... not the Gospel of Full Understanding.

So you guys continue to wrap your minds around the I am .... have fun.

I personally thought Dan’s answer was VERY good.

However, it seems we have diifferent views here.

freeatlast said:
Daniel: this one of the wisest posts I have ever seen on the topic.

I only wish I could type half as good as you, as to convey what I believe on these threads.

Alter Ego said:
Dan, you sound confused, mystified....unsettled.

Let me know if I can clear some things up for you, okay?

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Interpretation seems to be....

* we can't possibly know or understand God
* doctrine isn't as important as relationship to a completely undefinable, unknowable God.


Which often seems to lead to....


*doctrinal shipwrecks
*paganism
*judgementalism towards moral absolutists.

I don't think you actually read a word of what I said... either that or you didn't understand it.

However, I will say your idea of what doctrine is... ya know what... never mind.

I'm not getting drawn any further into this rat hole and I refuse to let you consume any more of my day.

I'm going to go enjoy my day instead. I hope you decide to do the same.

C-ya...

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

I don't think you actually read a word of what I said... either that or you didn't understand it.

However, I will say your idea of what doctrine is... ya know what... never mind.

I'm not getting drawn any further into this rat hole and I refuse to let you consume any more of my day.

I'm going to go enjoy my day instead. I hope you decide to do the same.

C-ya...

I did read it.

Really.

I saved it in Word under the title "Kaleidescope God."

I hope you enjoy your day. It's beautiful here.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I did read it.

Really.

I saved it in Word under the title "Kaleidescope God."

I hope you enjoy your day. It's beautiful here.

[missdkendall]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I did read it.

Really.

I saved it in Word under the title "Kaleidescope God."

I hope you enjoy your day. It's beautiful here.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I did read it.

Really.

I saved it in Word under the title "Kaleidescope God."

I hope you enjoy your day. It's beautiful here.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I thought that was a fitting title.

I honestly don't understand the angst involved here.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I thought that was a fitting title.

I honestly don't understand the angst involved here.

Me either, but the title is sweet!!!

[Jehoram]

There is a huge object lesson here.

People, being made in the image (a faint image mind you) of God, are the same way. You are not just you. You're made up of all the different things that make you YOU. Your wants, your needs, your desires, your experiences, your history, your environment, your emotions, your thoughts... everything combines to make you who you are.

Each thread of the rope is different, but they all combine to make one rope. The rope does not exist without the threads. Each thread ties into the next to make the rope stronger and more robust.

Each facet of a diamond adds to the beauty of the stone. They enhance one another and play off one another as the light sparkles within it. Each one plays a part in making the diamond gorgeous, yet the diamond does not exist without them.


To limit God to 'three' strands or facets is showing a lack of understanding of his nature. It's over simplifying him. It's doing him an injustice, and it's insulting to him.

Kaleidescope.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Kaleidescope.

Nice post, AE! Got a message for Sunday, huh?