FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright - Page 118

Pressing-On · #**1171** 04-01-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Well, I just got back to the house and from what I could gather (after I picked myself off the floor after reading that one post) the dialog seemed pretty productive.

A thread can be productive without all the sparring.

I have to spar in doses because my blood pressure just can't take it!!!

I am a man of peace not of war.

That is why I am backing Obama!

My friend, we part company!!!!!!!!!

Ferd · #**1172** 04-01-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Olbermann and O'Reilly are pretty much cut from the same clothe (one cut from the left...one cut from the right of the clothe). Their MO is to push an issue as far to the right or left in order to appease their audience. Olbermann will have to find another gig if Obama becomes Prez, but O'Reilly will see his ratings soar if that's the case.

Unfortunately, O'Reilly will continue to annoy America on FOX no matter who wins.

I honestly dont know what you are watching. I have listend to O'Reilly a few times on the radio, I have watched parts of his show during comercial breaks when I was flipping the channel. And a handfull of times, I have seen his show all the way thru just to see what he had to say.

I know this much about O'Reilly. He is NOT a conservitive. he is against the death penalty, says that Clinton was on the whole, a good president with the exectption of what he did to the popular culture.
was against the war in Iraq but says now we have to be there to finish. He was never for all the Bush tax cuts.

the only thing he falls in line with conservitives is his stance against secular progressivism because it leads to a coursing of society.

Where do you get these things from? Bill O'Reilys real issue is he keeps saying stuff like "I was the first to talk about this..." which really makes me crazy.

Im a conservitve. listening to him, i agree about 50% of the time.

I also think you are wrong on both O'Reily and Oberman. I think they will both be just fine if Obama or Mccain get elected. these guys play to a niche crowd that will exist no matter what.

Antipas · #**1173** 04-01-2008, 12:49 PM

No real conservative can support the death penalty. In the United States estimates show that we have wrongfully executed 23 people this century. Each year nearly 4.5 people are wrongfully convicted of capital offenses. And over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted.

Our system is broken and I don't see how a conservative can back a broken government system that has wrongfully executed it's citizens.

Nor can I see a Christian flipping the switch and frying a person. This is another example of the phony mold the modern conservative movement has conditioned weak minded Christians to accept upon themselves.

The death penalty also isn't a deterrent of crime. America is one of the last Westernized nations to continue executions. And we still have one of the highest crime and violence rates in the Western world. European countries that have banned the death penalty see far less violent crime than we do. The value of life has to be exemplified from the court house down. Then society will begin moving toward a more humane rhythm.

Ferd · #**1174** 04-01-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

No real conservative can support the death penalty. In the United States estimates show that we have wrongfully executed 23 people this century. Each year nearly 4.5 people are wrongfully convicted of capital offenses. And over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted.

Our system is broken and I don't see how a conservative can back a broken government system that has wrongfully executed it's citizens.

Nor can I see a Christian flipping the switch and frying a person. This is another example of the phony mold the modern conservative movement has conditioned weak minded Christians to accept upon themselves.

all righty then.

James Griffin · #**1175** 04-01-2008, 12:52 PM

Was really concerned about the length of this thread until I saw all the rabbit trails it has gone down.

DividedThigh · #**1176** 04-01-2008, 12:53 PM

hey antipas you believe what you want, i believe the death penalty is a good deterrent and in some cases warranted, dt

Ferd · #**1177** 04-01-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

hey antipas you believe what you want, i believe the death penalty is a good deterrent and in some cases warranted, dt

LOL! I just love these absolutist comments that fly in the face of reality.

No real conservitive can support the death penalty....

like that is somehow going to change reality because somebody said it! LOL!

DividedThigh · #**1178** 04-01-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! I just love these absolutist comments that fly in the face of reality.

No real conservitive can support the death penalty....

like that is somehow going to change reality because somebody said it! LOL!

very true, lol, get my call, lol, dt

Antipas · #**1179** 04-01-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

hey antipas you believe what you want, i believe the death penalty is a good deterrent and in some cases warranted, dt

I don't believe it's a deterrent. Most who have gotten to the point of being willing to commit murder would rather be executed or die in a shootout with police before being incarcerated for the rest of their lives in a prison cell while having their every move supervised and ordered for them.

Also the cost of the capital punishment system is higher than incarceration. When we factor in the cost of fighting for the death penalty and all the appeals involved it's far more expensive for the tax payer than putting them in a cell and giving them 3 squares a day for the rest of their lives.

Now, is it warranted in some cases? Perhaps. However, when we consider how the system we have has wrongfully executed the wrongfully convicted we have to error on the side of justice. How can a Christian embrace a system that has and will wrongfully execute another human being?

DividedThigh · #**1180** 04-01-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

I don't believe it's a deterrent. Most who have gotten to the point of being willing to commit murder would rather be executed or die in a shootout with police before being incarcerated for the rest of their lives in a prison cell while having their every move supervised and ordered for them.

Also the cost of the capital punishment system is higher than incarceration. When we factor in the cost of fighting for the death penalty and all the appeals involved it's far more expensive for the tax payer than putting them in a cell and giving them 3 squares a day for the rest of their lives.

Now, is it warranted in some cases? Perhaps. However, when we consider how the system we have has wrongfully executed the wrongfully convicted we have to error on the side of justice. How can a Christian embrace a system that has and will wrongfully execute another human being?

you believe what you want dude, and so will i, no use crossing swords for us, you aint listening and neither am i, dt