Hell Bound? Says who???

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I question the eldership of MOW, due to the fact that he does not believe in Acts 2:38 as the standard of salvation.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

That is fine but he is your elder... if nothing else age wise and you do owe him that respect.. not to mention the owner/admin thing there... and your general disrespect is unbecoming... get a few years under your belt then try talking that way (if thats what appeals to you) but its just very ugly honestly.

And again... you havent been around these parts long enough to know but we do pick on Elder E's lack of height and he joins right in... again please just chill. You will find if you show respect you will get a lot more who will pay attention to what you say.. otherwise many will just put you on block and go their own way and not even read

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

That is fine but he is your elder... if nothing else age wise and you do owe him that respect.. not to mention the owner/admin thing there... and your general disrespect is unbecoming... get a few years under your belt then try talking that way (if thats what appeals to you) but its just very ugly honestly.

And again... you havent been around these parts long enough to know but we do pick on Elder E's lack of height and he joins right in... again please just chill. You will find if you show respect you will get a lot more who will pay attention to what you say.. otherwise many will just put you on block and go their own way and not even read

I can joke about lack of height, however, as I percieved it, MOW was disrespectful. Also, I don't believe I was disrepectful, I simply said, due to the fact that Eld. E was an elder, he ought to be entreated as such. Also, as for giving and recieving respect, I have been told by others that the treatment I have gotten over my age is unfair and that there is a general disrepectful attitude of the members of AFF one-to-another. Someone else asked what an outsider looking into AFF would think by the way we talk to each other. Some of the Apostolic brothers and sisters here are terribly sharp in their personal remarks to their other brothers and sisters.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

That is fine but he is your elder... if nothing else age wise and you do owe him that respect.. not to mention the owner/admin thing there... and your general disrespect is unbecoming... get a few years under your belt then try talking that way (if thats what appeals to you) but its just very ugly honestly.

And again... you havent been around these parts long enough to know but we do pick on Elder E's lack of height and he joins right in... again please just chill. You will find if you show respect you will get a lot more who will pay attention to what you say.. otherwise many will just put you on block and go their own way and not even read

So, he's back in the mix, eh?

I thought this was all about tolerance and balance. Midway through last year a few thought this forum was getting too conservative and stepped out. Now that it has swung back faar back the other way they all come back? That doesn't look like tolerance or balance to me.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I don't think I avoided it, I thought it was retorical.
Also, before I say anything else, I just have to say that I was SHOCKED to find out that you and Sis. Falla are siblings! I HIGHLY doubt Sis. Falla believes in Inclusion theology (although she is a kind sister) I can almost bank on her believing in hell. How is Thanksgiving? I've got to know how you two get along, because you both just seemed like the last people on AFF that would be related, lol...
Ok, now to your post... we could go over and over the whole Inclusion Theology, and it sure is fun to think about BUT there's not enough Biblical backing for that, as there is of eternal hellfire and torment for those that reject the Gospel. We don't read of those who GOD will punish with fire ever, eventually coming out from that Lake of Fire, once their wickedness has been purged out from them as the dross, and then being brought to GOD. Those who will go to the Lake of Fire WILL be eternally lost (unless GOD works something else out, which is not explicitly stated in HIS Word).

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Falla and I get along just peachy, we discuss our views frequently, doesn't hinder our love for each other or our fellowship in the least.

BTW the lake of fire will serve its purpose and then it will no longer be needed. Some will have their "part" there, death and hell will be destroyed there. Many unquenchable fires from the scriptures have served their purpose and have long since gone out. God is going to completely eradicate all sin, evil and curse, He will not preserve them in a custom fire pit endlessly. He is a redeemer not a destroyer.

Be Blessed my friend.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by crakjak

BTW the lake of fire will serve its purpose and then it will no longer be needed. Some will have their "part" there, death and hell will be destroyed there. Many unquenchable fires from the scriptures have served their purpose and have long since gone out. God is going to completely eradicate all sin, evil and curse, He will not preserve them in a custom fire pit endlessly. He is a redeemer not a destroyer.

I can't say that doesn't sound great...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bro. Hall I for one do NOT believe in the restoration of thr church! Jesus said the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the church. Either He lied or the church has always existed preaching truth.

Jesus said the gates of Hell shall not "prevail"...indicating that there will be an epic battle between the church and Hell. In spite of the Apostacy Hell thew at his church, God has always had a body of people hungry and seeking for truth. At some points the night was VERY dark and the people hundled around what flicker of truth they had and some days have been very great with Apostolic winds of Revival blowing and truth abounding. Jesus never said that the church wouldn't face Apostacy...as a matter of fact...we're warned that it would.

I'd also like to make note that in the book of Revelation Jesus talks about 7 different churches, some of which had fallen into idolatry and false teachings....yet they were still addressed as being a "church" and those who were struggling to not partake were admonished to overcome.

Can you name a consistant thread of churches who have always had "the truth" down throughout history??? Don't tell me Modalists, Cathars, and all these other obscure groups had the truth. Some were Oneness...but didn't have tongues or Jesus name baptism. Some had tongues but no oneness. Most believed in alternative doctrines of reincarnation or polygamy. Bro...if the church is as triumphant as you claim....show it to us! I contend that the church faced Apostacy just as she was warned by Paul.

But as you can see....she has prevailed and is preparing for the coming of her groom.

Most so-called reformers were wicked men such as Luther & Calvin.
I have NEVER said that some did not have some type of experience where God touched them and dealt with them however they failed to walk into truth thus their light became darkness.

They didn't "fail to walk in truth"...they only saw a measure of truth because of the clouds of tradition.

There is NO such thing as a Christian without obeying Acts 2:38!

Not true. Those who don't obey are disobedient Christians. Those who don't know are Christians bound with tradition.

If ignorance saves then salvation is of works. Only Calvary's blood saves and the plan it purchased.
You have allowed emotion and sentiment to override the clear teachings of the Bible.
I believe there are sincere Buddist, Moslems, Catholics, JW's, Mormons, are they saved?

Ignorance doesn't save. Ignorance will determine the severity of a "servant's" judgment.

And outside of Christ there is no hope of salvation.

What qualifies YOU to judge a soul for all eternity? We agree with what is "truth"....I choose to leave the judgment to God because I'm not qualified to judge the soul.

Personally...I find your spirit arrogant and full of spiritual pride. I've won a number of strong traditional Christians. And it wasn't by telling them that they were damned. It was through confronting "tradition" and exaulting truth...while leaving the judgment of the soul to God.

[Rico]

If God goes 1000 years without filling someone with the Holy Ghost does that change the message?

[ChristopherHall]

The message never changes. However, God is the only one to qualified to judge a soul. If you think you're qualified to make those judgments...be my guest. I will not say that those who had a measure of truth were saved...I also will not say they were lost. However, I will say that they are incomplete Christians at the mercy of God. God will judge justly. But if one wants to KNOW that they are saved without a doubt they should obey Acts 2:38.

You know your Bible is an inspired translation of men who were damned according to your logic? Do you ever sing Amazing Grace or How Great Thou Art? Do you have altar calls? What about that "wafer & thimble of juice" you have for Communion....all of those things are Trinitarian customs.

The Church is still wading through 2000 years of "tradition". I would assume that if you find yourself qualified to judge men's souls according to "your knowledge" of Scripture, you're assuming you now know all there is to know about the Word, God's purpose, and God's ultimate plan. Boy oh boy...man...you've arrived.

Not.

[Steve Epley]

Bro. Hall this is a discussion forum for Apostolics NOT an evangelism outreach board. When I pastored our services were filled with visitors and yes they came back. Denominal folks who have known me would tell a quite different story than you are telling.
I am not preaching to THEM here I am contending with those who claim to be Apostolic. If that seems arrogant to you then so be it.
I do NOT believe in the doctrine of pluralism God has only ONE plan of salvation and everyone without exception is lost outside of Acts 2:38.
I have baptized Trinity preachers and members, however if I believed like you I would not worry since they are already saved according to your theory missionaries ************ folks instead of saving people since ignorance saves.
In your view more folks will be in Heaven saved by ignorance rather than the blood.'
Either Jesus and His word is salvation or ignorance there is NOT two saviours.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

God cannot lie and I read His book.

You are right God can not and will not lie.

However, even though you have read His Book, you do not have all the LIGHT of The Book.

You preach what you understand. Can you say you know as much of His Word today as you did 25 years ago? Or would it not be true as you aged and studied you found more LIGHT, more understanding?

Based on that concept is is very high minded to say YOU know and Judge God to be a liar IF He does not do as you judge His word to mean to you.

God is way above us, we see through a glass darkly, we understand only in part.

Which brings me back to my original post, we can not judge who is and is not in Hell. I do KNOW this there will be those in both locations that will surprise you.