Obama, Clinton. Which is the lesser of two evils?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by tamor

BBWWAAHAHAHAHA!!! CHICKEN!!

Yep, is was the .jpg that sent me packing.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

So again, back to the original question I asked…why would you oppose increasing your taxes to fund a program that would save you money?

Um again, I don't buy health insurance, it wouldn't save me money. I guess at heart I am not a socialist. I believe in more of a Lockean view. If I work for it, its mine and I should get to keep it. I have read enough of your ideas on health care that I really don’t care to go through it again. Basically, you think the government can solve our problems, I think government is the problem. Government at its best is a necessary evil…hmmm where have I heard that before.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

those in the middle disapprove because their attention span is more related to heating burritos in thier microwave than it is related to understanding the nuance of fighting a protracted war against a dangerous idology.

I've made some observations...it's more than just "those in the middle".

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good age and yes, I've heard that is a possibility, but not a lot of talk. I know he is popular and well received in Florida. I think they want to keep the campaign focused on the bruising of Hillary and Obama.



BTW, as far as age goes, McCain is in the same bracket as most of the Supreme Court Justices. So what's the big deal?

i guess because Supreme Court justices don't work 12-16 hr days, 6-7 days a week like a president does.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

i guess because Supreme Court justices don't work 12-16 hr days, 6-7 days a week like a president does.

He's not too old!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Um again, I don't buy health insurance, it wouldn't save me money. I guess at heart I am not a socialist. I believe in more of a Lockean view. If I work for it, its mine and I should get to keep it. I have read enough of your ideas on health care that I really don’t care to go through it again. Basically, you think the government can solve our problems, I think government is the problem. Government at its best is a necessary evil…hmmm where have I heard that before.

I think you’re not grasping what I’m saying. You and I are already being forced to pay for the uninsured if we want to insure our own families. And we’re being forced to pay way toooooo much. A nationalized health insurance system would insure that EVERYONE (accept the elderly and needy) would pay into a single system to cover their own health care costs. From my perspective…it’s you who is advocating a sort of “privatized socialism” where 50 MILLION can freeload and we pay for it. I say government should make all pay something toward their care. It’s theft to allow private interests to force me to pay someone else’s bill. What if a restaurant took your credit card after dinner and charged you for a sixth of all the patrons eating dinner that night? Wouldn’t you call the police (government) and insist that the pay their own checks?

Essentially that’s what this is about. A national health insurance system is a way to ensure that 50 MILLION uninsured Americans can pay their own checks at the doctor’s office.

Again I welcome you to the discussion on the Canadian thread which I posted a link to above.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

BTW, as far as age goes, McCain is in the same bracket as most of the Supreme Court Justices. So what's the big deal?

Except the President doesn't have 8 other folks to help keep him in line and the SC can't declare war. No one would think of appointing a Justice to the bench that was already that age, the whole lifetime appointment thing. Now if Obama were to win and wanted to appoint an 88 year old friend for Justice Stevens then I say the Republicans should consent.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Except the President doesn't have 8 other folks to help keep him in line and the SC can't declare war. No one would think of appointing a Justice to the bench that was already that age, the whole lifetime appointment thing. Now if Obama were to win and wanted to appoint an 88 year old friend for Justice Stevens then I say the Republicans should consent.

really, that would be funny, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

Here is what McCain is proposing on the Healthcare issue for review.

(excerpt or article)

The plan boldly takes on key problems in how we deliver health care that have contributed to out-of-control cost escalation. According to a recent University of Minnesota study, health insurance premiums have increased over recent years ten times faster than personal incomes, and by 30 percent from 2001 to 2005.

The key salvo is aimed at the central pillar of our health care system -- tax-subsidized employer provided health care. About 70 percent of Americans get their health care where they work.

The McCain plan offers a $5,000 tax credit to families and $2,500 to individuals to purchase health care on their own. This would end the inherent inequity of some getting tax-free health care from their employers, but those on their own or working for small businesses having to purchase it with after tax dollars.

It levels the field and relocates the focus of health-care-purchase freedom and responsibility to where it should be -- on individuals.

McCain would further enhance competition and consumer power by ending the 50 separate state fiefdoms and allow the health care market to be open nationwide.

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/S..._on_health_car

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Except the President doesn't have 8 other folks to help keep him in line and the SC can't declare war. No one would think of appointing a Justice to the bench that was already that age, the whole lifetime appointment thing. Now if Obama were to win and wanted to appoint an 88 year old friend for Justice Stevens then I say the Republicans should consent.

LOL! I've never studied out the "lifetime appointments" of the Supreme Court. Why was that instituted? What is behind the thinking on that?