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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
You know - there are so many different BRANDS of Apostolics and you know that. I guess if you own this you can define what a "real Apostolic" is the same as CC1 can or Elder Epley can. The fact of the matter is there is hardly TWO on here that can totally agree 100% on ANYTHING!
You love to judge others - judge your own selves and let God judge the others. Yes - I do know the COGIC is a Trinitarian organization and YES I continue to preach in it and everyone I have ever baptized in it - I baptized in the Name of Jesus. But still - that is NEVER ENOUGH with you guys - It NEVER BECOMES ENOUGH to be saved!
Let's take the stupid BORAT deal - Did they have BORAT pray a prayer of repentance? NO! Did they sit him down and explain that if you want to be saved you must repent and turn from your sin and pray with him that he would REPENT???? NO - They had one thing on their minds - getting him to speak in tongues. That was not an isolated case. In UPC and Apostolic Camp meetings across America - and in altars in their churches - its SPEAK IN TONGUES. Yes - I have spoke in tongues since I was 5 years old - did that save me - NO - I had to be baptized in Jesus Name or to some that was not enough because It was not in their church or their tank. IT IS NEVER ENOUGH and you guys know it. You cannot even agree among your APOSTOLIC selves as to EXACTLY what to say. Some have told me they say something different every time. Oh, But we always "include" the name of Jesus - how sweet! Give me a break - When is the last time you went to a conference and they cast devils out, got people up out of wheel chairs and busted canes and crutches and commanded the crippled to walk. That my friend is Apostolic!
I hesitate to say I am finished with this forum - but It sickens me to see the childishness of grown men that put burdens and yokes on people that they are not even willing to bear past their own city limits. Men that preach against TV and stay up all night watching them in hotels. Porn addicts, closet homosexuals and abusers of themselves with mankind. I could call names and officials - but what good would it do - it would get ME BANNED!
GO ahead and say Bishop Patterson "died lost" but don't say anything about raving maniac that is a hater of God's people and a letter writer that says the UPC is the Great Whore! Oh yeah - HE is Apostolic! Yeah - Right! If that is "Apostolic" we are all in trouble and the whole world is going to Hell!
As I have said many times when teaching my young ministers - SHUT UP AND PREACH! I don't want to hear your ideas and opinions and what Bishop Patterson or somebody else should have done - who died and made YOU God!
Why don't you do something?
Glad to get this off my chest! And you wonder why we leave you guys and don't want to have anything to do with you??????????????
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First of all, if you are referring to me personally you don't have a clue what I do or don't do for God. I feel confident that I'm doing what God wants out of my life and it seems to be working.
Also, I do see wheelchairs emptied and canes cast aside. I have pictures showing as much. I just don't point to it as a justification of my ministry worth. I know that anything of the sort done outside of sound biblical doctrine is little more than a cheap magician or a soothsayer. The Bible does tell us that signs and wonders are possible outside the realm of righteousness.
I find it interesting as well that you seem to place as little emphasis on doctrinal purity as Bro. Epley puts much emphasis on it. You always run back to the whole 'you don't even agree among yourselves' rhetoric as if that makes a strong point. It makes about as much sense as saying, "Some stop here at the stop light and some ease on into the intersection while yet others just move in the middle of the pedestrian's walking lane. Well, since you don't even agree among yourselves I'm going just run the light!" Be careful, AB, it's the total disregard of the light that causes most catastrophes!
While I may not have agreed with the bluntness of what Bro. Epley said I have to tell you that most of the people on this board will not say that any person is saved outside of repentance, baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost. So, tell me, if doctine means so little to you how do you in your own ministry deal with the fact that the Bible tells us that if we or an angel from Heaven come preaching any other doctrine - let him be accursed?
I'm sorry that my post evidently pushed you over the edge. Being an owner, while it seems to bother you, means little in the overall spectrum of things. The forum is an Apostolic forum and I agree that there are various opinions in that wide spectrum. Even so, when you strip away our differences on standards and outward appearance the very foundation of being Apostolic is found in our Oneness and the new birth message of repentance, water baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost.
No amount of signs or wonders or positions held can justify living outside of those requirements of being Apostolic.
(he knows I love him!)
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