Use of the Law

[bkstokes]

I was wondering what people here on the forum thought of the Law.

I know many of us incline our beliefs against Calvinism. Nevertheless, Calvin was such an influential teacher many of his beliefs are in our own without us realizing it.

Here are some Aphorisms taken from Calvin's Institutes:


The Law is threefold: Ceremonial, Judicial, Moral. The use of the Ceremonial Law is repealed, its effect is perpetual. The Judicial or Political Law was peculiar to the Jews, and has been set aside, while that universal justice which is described in the Moral Law remains. The latter, or Moral Law, the object of which is to cherish and maintain godliness and righteousness, is perpetual, and is incumbent on all.

The use of the Moral Law is threefold. The first use shows our weakness, unrighteousness, and condemnation; not that we may despair, but that we may flee to Christ. The second is, that those who are not moved by promises, may be urged by the terror of threatenings. The third is, that we may know what is the will of God; that we may consider it in order to obedience; that our minds may be strengthened for that purpose; and that we may be kept from falling.

The sum of the Law is contained in the Preface, and in the two Tables. In the Preface we observe, 1. The power of God, to constrain the people by the necessity of obedience; 2. A promise of grace, by which he declares himself to be the God of the Church; 3. A kind act, on the ground of which he charges the Jews with ingratitude, if they do not requite his goodness.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WILLING TO READ AND RESPOND: Do you agree with these statements? How and why?

[deltaguitar]

I agree but with the US OPEN playoff online I can't comment.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

I was wondering what people here on the forum thought of the Law.

I know many of us incline our beliefs against Calvinism. Nevertheless, Calvin was such an influential teacher many of his beliefs are in our own without us realizing it.

Here are some Aphorisms taken from Calvin's Institutes:


The Law is threefold: Ceremonial, Judicial, Moral. The use of the Ceremonial Law is repealed, its effect is perpetual. The Judicial or Political Law was peculiar to the Jews, and has been set aside, while that universal justice which is described in the Moral Law remains. The latter, or Moral Law, the object of which is to cherish and maintain godliness and righteousness, is perpetual, and is incumbent on all.

The use of the Moral Law is threefold. The first use shows our weakness, unrighteousness, and condemnation; not that we may despair, but that we may flee to Christ. The second is, that those who are not moved by promises, may be urged by the terror of threatenings. The third is, that we may know what is the will of God; that we may consider it in order to obedience; that our minds may be strengthened for that purpose; and that we may be kept from falling.

The sum of the Law is contained in the Preface, and in the two Tables. In the Preface we observe, 1. The power of God, to constrain the people by the necessity of obedience; 2. A promise of grace, by which he declares himself to be the God of the Church; 3. A kind act, on the ground of which he charges the Jews with ingratitude, if they do not requite his goodness.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WILLING TO READ AND RESPOND: Do you agree with these statements? How and why?

I think Scripture makes the law a single unit and does not divide it up into those categories. Is there any Scripture you wish to offer regarding chopping the law into segments?

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I think Scripture makes the law a single unit and does not divide it up into those categories. Is there any Scripture you wish to offer regarding chopping the law into segments?

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

The moral law still exists, DT. It was the part with all the ordinances and rituals that was done away with, Bro.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

The moral law still exists, DT. It was the part with all the ordinances and rituals that was done away with, Bro.

Rico, Is that what you think or do you have Scripture for that?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Rico, Is that what you think or do you have Scripture for that?

Is it still a sin to commit murder? How about adultery?


15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
Eph 2:15 (KJV)


14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:14 (KJV)


1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:


8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:1-14 (KJV)


31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:31 (KJV)


7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:7 (KJV)

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Is it still a sin to commit murder? How about adultery?


15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
Eph 2:15 (KJV)


14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:14 (KJV)


1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:


8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:1-14 (KJV)

I still don't see the distinction you are looking for. The verse you quote make no reference to part of the law being abolished.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I still don't see the distinction you are looking for. The verse you quote make no reference to part of the law being abolished.

Brother, the key word in that group of scriptures is ordinances. Also, you must be a really fast reader to have read all that that fast. BTW, haven't we discussed this before?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, the key word in that group of scriptures is ordinances. Also, you must be a really fast reader to have read all that that fast.

I read it. Why is the key word ordinance. How does that give you distinctions within the law?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I read it. Why is the key word ordinance. How does that give you distinctions within the law?

Brother, I am still waking up for the day. lol Lemme get some coffee in me and get my shower, and then we can talk about this a little more in depth, ok? I believe the part of the law that was abolished was the part with the sacrifices and whatnot. The part that makes us aware of our sin is still the law of God. Otherwise, it would no longer be a sin to commit murder, adultery, and other sins we know to be sins.