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Old 07-03-2008, 07:37 AM
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I would say probably not.........she knew what she was doing and wanted to make that statement.

I think if I had been in charge of the event I would have politely walked her off the stage and come back to lead everyone in singing the National Anthem.

I guess they kept thinking she was going to finish by singing the original anthem.
Have there been any comments from any black organizations on this? I wonder if she's being supported.
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Old 07-03-2008, 07:43 AM
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Now certain patriotic songs about love of country and God are reified as sacred and some not so sacred ... oh boy....

Had she sung God Bless America or America the Beautiful (what we sang in grade school after the pledge) ... would we be having this conversation?



I still hold this statement to be true .... had she used the words to these other patriotic standards this news story would be a footnote.

Some geezer would have complained but it would been deemed creative license.

I'm sorry ... I don't make the flag or an anthem sacred ... I love this country and would lay my life down for it.....

but would do so for what it represents .... FREEDOM.

She made a poor decision perhaps in regards to decorum .... but this is the stuff TALK RADIO thrives on ...

The reasons to me ... are OBVIOUS.
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Old 07-03-2008, 07:46 AM
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Daniel,

Some things are just proper --- this was NOT proper. She was asked to sing the National Anthem - - not any song she felt like singing.
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Daniel,

Some things are just proper --- this was NOT proper. She was asked to sing the National Anthem - - not any song she felt like singing.
And yet had she busted out w/ OH BEAUTIFUL FOR SPACIOUS SKYS ... a la Ray Charles it would not be a biggie.

I'm all for decorum and yes... this is where some have a legitimate quibble ...

but my gut tells me that had she chosen an "accepted" standard we wouldn't even know about this story.

The fact remains the patriotic standard about love of country and God she substituted has a storied past ... it did not come out of nowhere .... and is an accepted standard at many venues ... including public schools.

This is not some artist burning a flag while singing to our nation.

Perspective and balance are sorely needed ...

Carry on ...
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This is the funniest National Anthem Ever!

The "Star Spangled Banner" has four verses. As an experiment, Jamie Kennedy sings all four verses before a baseball game. The response of the crowd is hilarious!

As a warning, you need to skip to 2:30 minute mark of the video before he starts to sing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p9PmnzAHjg
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I still hold this statement to be true .... had she used the words to these other patriotic standards this news story would be a footnote.
First of all, it is presumed that she would have gotten permission. The only reason she kept her choice private is because she knew she was making a statement, and took advantage of her platform, and she knew it would be objected to. (Or assumed it would be.) Chances are, if she had ASKED, someone might have said, "Sing both songs." Her actions are about 3 decades late. She's no Rosa Parks, but I'd be willing to wager she sees herself in that noble light.

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Some geezer would have complained but it would been deemed creative license.
Don't be so sure.

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I'm sorry ... I don't make the flag or an anthem sacred ... I love this country and would lay my life down for it.....

but would do so for what it represents .... FREEDOM.
That's your loss. Symbolism and tradition have their place, and this is the place. By the way, the flag and anthem ARE symbolic of that FREEDOM, and therefore should be treated with equal respect.

Are you okay with flag burning too?

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She made a poor decision perhaps .... but this is the stuff TALK RADIO thrives on ...

On the reasons to me ... or OBVIOUS.
Talk Radio is great! I love Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and my favorite TR Boy, Michael Savage!

Look, if Mickey Mangun had been criticized for singing Amazing Grace in place of the national anthem, I would say the same thing: Bad choice, impolite, taking advantage of a platform for personal gain.

Furthermore, if your intentions are to promote unity, it accomplishes the exact opposite, which means one of two things:

1. The intent was NOT to promote unity, or,
2. She made a stupid decision with good intentions.

So...stupid at best, intentionally divisive at worst.
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I always thought it was interesting that they hung their heads.......why didn't they raise them up if they were so proud?
I like that!!
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And yet had she busted out w/ OH BEAUTIFUL FOR SPACIOUS SKYS ... a la Ray Charles it would not be a biggie.

I'm all for decorum and yes... this is where some have a legitimate quibble ...

but my gut tells me that had she chosen an "accepted" standard we wouldn't even know about this story.
Don't be obtuse. People aren't upset because she sang "another patriotic song" in place of the national anthem; people are upset because she used her temporary position to make an unnecessary political statement. If she had simply sang a different song, it would have been deemed impolite, and I doubt she would be invited back for a second time, but you're right--probably no uproar.

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The fact remains the patriotic standard about love of country and God has a storied past ... did not come out of nowhere .... and is an accepted standard at many venues ... including schools.
It is usually sang in ADDITION to the national anthem. Not in place of it, or combined with it.

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This is not some artist burning a flag while singing to our nation.
Maybe not, but you don't know that for sure. Her intentions could have been divisive. Perspective and balance are needed, and that means recognizing that she MAY have been intentionally divisive. (Regardless of what apologies she offers after the fact.)
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What was an insult to me was she tried to make the words fit to the tune of our national anthem.

As Miss Brat mentioned, it would be like someone singing "Amazing Grace" to the tune of the national anthem when asked to perform "The Star Spangled Banner"before an important public gathering. I would be just as insulted!

Well, she got her 15 minutes of fame! What a cockroach!
Don't you think calling her a cockroach was a bit too harsh?

I thought she had a lovely voice and she would have done a great job on our national anthem. Perhaps, she should have song both songs, which would have kept people from being so angry.
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Don't you think calling her a cockroach was a bit too harsh?

I thought she had a lovely voice and she would have done a great job on our national anthem. Perhaps, she should have song both songs, which would have kept people from being so angry.
The wiser choice would definitely have been to sing both songs, AND to get permission to do so.
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